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SpokenTruth said:
scottslater said:

"Silent majority" to me isn't a reference to voting population percentage, but that there is a large portion of the population that doesn't voice their stance with Trump out of fear.

So you openly admit to using a misnomer....why?  Why use it?  Is it supposed to sound like it represents a larger segment of the population than it really does? 

What do you mean a "misnomer"? I said a large portion of the population that doesn't voice their stance with Trump which is what "silent majority" means.



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SpokenTruth said:
scottslater said:

What do you mean a "misnomer"? I said a large portion of the population that doesn't voice their stance with Trump which is what "silent majority" means.

misnomer
us
/mɪsˈnoʊ·mər/
a name that is not correct or does not suit what it refers to, or a use of such a name:
Dry cleaning is a misnomer, since the clothes are cleaned in a fluid.

I'm aware what misnomer means, look up the definition of "silent majority".



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the-pi-guy said:
scottslater said:

What do you mean a "misnomer"? I said a large portion of the population that doesn't voice their stance with Trump which is what "silent majority" means.

Because it's not actually a "majority".

It's a misnomer because the phrase itself gives a misleading interpretation.

No, I think it's because many don't understand what "silent majority" means.  Look up the definition of "silent majority".  When you add the "silent" with the "vocal" you combine to have a "majority".



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RolStoppable said:
scottslater said:

Are you serious right now? You just choose to ignore the recent rally in Minnesota where multiple people were physically assaulted as they left the rally? Or the students across the nation physically assaulted when they have Conservative speakers or setup a table to try and share their point of view?  A 14-year-old was recently attacked on their bus for wearing a MAGA hat.  Another was a 16-year-old High School student who wore a pin that said "Women for Trump" and was assaulted by a faculty member who removed it then wore it upside down like a trophy.  These type of cases are happening all over the nation.  There is a difference between fearing being assaulted and "not being able to argue your side".  And usually it is "Leftist" that call people names like bigot or racist because that is the only way they know how to "talk" to someone that doesn't share their point of view.

The mid-term election was easy for the Dems to win for multiple reasons, mostly because during a non-presidential election cycle it's common for supporters of the current President to not show up at polls.  If you actually do research you will see that the House of Representatives almost always changes to the other party opposite of the President during a midterm election.  If anything, the results from the 2018 midterm election were very underwhelming for Democrats.  And most of the seats that the Dems did win they won in the 2016 Presidential vote.

I've never come across any of those stories. Any sources?

https://www.wilx.com/content/news/Student-says-teacher-pulls-off-her-Women-For-Trump-pin-565990631.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-city-gallery-owner-attacked-wearing-make-america/story?id=64731770

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCia0aNPJh4

There is tons of these happening all the time.



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SpokenTruth said:
scottslater said:

I'm aware what misnomer means, look up the definition of "silent majority".

I didn't have to.  I'm well aware of it's use and history. It gained popularity under Nixon as a way to make the non-voting conservatives sound like a bigger group than they were.  Exactly like Trump does.  Everything with him is the biggest ever or larger than reality when the data doesn't back it up. 

And even under the auspices of a being a misnomer, it still doesn't work when he says it given the facts I just laid out.  He didn't bring out any people that weren't already voting.  In fact, as a percentage of population, fewer Republicans voted him than they did for any recent Republican candidate except Romney...and just barely at that. 

So not only is the phrase a misnomer, it was popularized by a crook and falsely being used by Trump. 

Also, your definition, "a large portion of the population that doesn't voice their stance with Trump out of fear" is even weirder.  If anything, Trump supporters are not afraid to speak out about their support.  So, not all that silent.  And no, those who are quiet about their support, are not the majority of Trump supporters. Maybe a Trump supporter in the middle of San Fransisco might be quiet about it but they damn sure aren't anywhere else.  Further, it would be ironic for them to be quiet given their 2A support and denigration of the snowflake, safe space needing mentality.

Wow, okay...



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the-pi-guy said:
scottslater said:

I'm aware what misnomer means, look up the definition of "silent majority".

Please see:

the-pi-guy said:

Because it's not actually a "majority".

It's a misnomer because the phrase itself gives a misleading interpretation.

You are under the impression that the definition of "silent majority" overrides the definitions of "silent" and "majority" and therefore it isn't a misnomer.  That is not the case.  

Phrases can be misnomers if the intended meaning doesn't match up with the definitions that make up the phrase.  

In other words it's a misnomer because this:

The silent majority is an unspecified large group of people in a country or group who do not express their opinions publicly.
doesn't match up with: 
silent: not speaking
majority: the number by which votes for one candidate in an election are more than those for all other candidates combined.

Okay, but that's not how misnomer's work...

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the-pi-guy said:
scottslater said:

Okay, but that's now how misnomer's work...

1.) It doesn't exactly cover it, but it does cover the case where a phrase doesn't match 

For example tin can is a misnomer because they are not made of tin.  Just like in this case silent majority is a misnomer because it's not actually a majority.  

"a wrong name or inappropriate designation.  The name "Greenland" is a misnomer, since much of the island is covered by a massive ice sheet."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misnomer

 2.)  How do you think misnomers work?

To me it's a wrong name for a person, thing or place... I can understand how one would see it as a "misnomer" though

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RolStoppable said:
scottslater said:

https://www.wilx.com/content/news/Student-says-teacher-pulls-off-her-Women-For-Trump-pin-565990631.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-city-gallery-owner-attacked-wearing-make-america/story?id=64731770

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCia0aNPJh4

There is tons of these happening all the time.

If there were tons of those happening all the time, it would be a national topic of conversation and Fox News would milk it for all its worth.

So what's newsworthy and what's not isn't decided on by certain individuals, for whatever reason, and/or if minorities are being harassed there's no reason to shine a light on that? How often does impeachment happen in America?



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RolStoppable said:
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https://www.wilx.com/content/news/Student-says-teacher-pulls-off-her-Women-For-Trump-pin-565990631.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/york-city-gallery-owner-attacked-wearing-make-america/story?id=64731770

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCia0aNPJh4

There is tons of these happening all the time.

If there were tons of those happening all the time, it would be a national topic of conversation and Fox News would milk it for all its worth.

Fox News is just as bad as the rest of the Legacy Media.  If you actually do research you will see how much more risk there is in being a "Conservative" in heavy "Blue" areas than there is risk in being a "Liberal" in heavy "Red" areas.  And I do think it is a national topic of conversation just not on Legacy Media.

As for the "silent majority" I think we are talking in circles about that.  When I made that reference to "silent majority" in quotes I was referring to the large population of Trump voters who choose to be silent, i.e. a majority of Trump voters choose to be silent.  I wasn't trying to say that Trump has a "silent majority" in the general voting population if that makes sense. 

EDIT: Basically I think we are trying to use the phrase in different ways which is why there was confusion about the misnomer questions. I wasn't trying to use a quote by Trump.

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scottslater said:

If you actually do research you will see how much more risk there is in being a "Conservative" in heavy "Blue" areas than there is risk in being a "Liberal" in heavy "Red" areas. 

Do you have any scientific, statistical data to support that? Not just anecdotes?

Here's what I found: https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2018