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SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:
Bernie lied before the audio came out claiming that they were discussing the weather.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sanders-said-talked-about-weather-with-warren-viral-debate-moment-2020-1
Weird thing to lie about. Warren might be the one telling the truth in this situation.

That's him trying to diffuse the issue and move everybody on.  That's not only not weird to lie about but it's a noble white lie because he could have thrown Warren under the bus but didn't.

Spot on, not weird at all. Knowing Bernie, it's exactly what I'd expect him to say and do; De-escalating and not engaging further despite the fact that he's being actively framed as a sexist by her.

Bernie could've dismantled her easily and called her out for pretending to be a native American for decades, but nope, he chose to answer the questions in a classy manner and not drag her into the mud. Instead of being thankful to how gracefully he handled the situation, she's outraged her claims were remotely & sensitively challenged.

If Warren is getting emotional after hearing Bernie's elegant counter-arguments, what is gonna happen when Trump calls her pocahontas on national TV? Cry? Way to make the case for a female president...



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SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:
Bernie lied before the audio came out claiming that they were discussing the weather.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sanders-said-talked-about-weather-with-warren-viral-debate-moment-2020-1
Weird thing to lie about. Warren might be the one telling the truth in this situation.

That's him trying to diffuse the issue and move everybody on.  That's not only not weird to lie about but it's a noble white lie because he could have thrown Warren under the bus but didn't.

Why would he want to deescalate a situation that he's telling the truth? It just comes off as him trying to kill the story so it doesnt bring more negativity to his campaign. 



SpokenTruth said:

Looks like a combination of Sanders' debate performance and the snub from Warren was seen as a call to financial arms by his supporters.

He raised $1.7 million from 100,000 donors that night.  Full disclosure - I was one of them.

$1.7 million in just a few hours is absolutely insane.

I was one as well.

We need to move on from this Warren situation. Even though it was a low blow from her camp that doesn't hold up to scrutiny, we have to shift our focus to policy and take down Biden and 45.

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SpokenTruth said:
I'm hoping the DNC announces the new debate requirements soon. I'm expecting more candidates to drop if the requirements increase.

Speaking of announcements, we should get the full fundraising details for all candidates tomorrow. That couple with debate requirements would really give us an idea on who stays and who drops.

Wasnt the last debate the final one?





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Moving on from the backstabber, one of the worst things about that debate was that Joe Biden didn't get properly vetted on foreign policy before Iowa. It's so fucked up that he made it through that many debates with little more than Bernie calling out his Iraq War vote. At the end of the day, if Trump gets us into a war with Iran, I trust Bernie, not Biden, to get us out. I trust Bernie, not Biden, to audit the Pentagon, fight back against the military industrial complex, and divert money from the bloated defense budget to places that money is actually needed. I trust Bernie, not Biden, to build the progressive alliances we need to take the necessary level of international action against climate change and against the uber rich and their tax havens.



HylianSwordsman said:
Moving on from the backstabber, one of the worst things about that debate was that Joe Biden didn't get properly vetted on foreign policy before Iowa. It's so fucked up that he made it through that many debates with little more than Bernie calling out his Iraq War vote. At the end of the day, if Trump gets us into a war with Iran, I trust Bernie, not Biden, to get us out. I trust Bernie, not Biden, to audit the Pentagon, fight back against the military industrial complex, and divert money from the bloated defense budget to places that money is actually needed. I trust Bernie, not Biden, to build the progressive alliances we need to take the necessary level of international action against climate change and against the uber rich and their tax havens.

On top of all of this, I also believe that there is a 0% chance of Joe Biden winning the presidency, aka beating Trump. His record is the embodiment of everything Trump ran against in 2016 and if you guys think he wont pull that fake populist thing again, you're crazy. He's already doing it on twitter by calling out the DNC planning on cheating Bernie in 2020.

Let me say this again, the only thing that can beat a fake right wing populist is a real Left Wing Populist.

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uran10 said:
HylianSwordsman said:
Moving on from the backstabber, one of the worst things about that debate was that Joe Biden didn't get properly vetted on foreign policy before Iowa. It's so fucked up that he made it through that many debates with little more than Bernie calling out his Iraq War vote. At the end of the day, if Trump gets us into a war with Iran, I trust Bernie, not Biden, to get us out. I trust Bernie, not Biden, to audit the Pentagon, fight back against the military industrial complex, and divert money from the bloated defense budget to places that money is actually needed. I trust Bernie, not Biden, to build the progressive alliances we need to take the necessary level of international action against climate change and against the uber rich and their tax havens.

On top of all of this, I also believe that there is a 0% chance of Joe Biden winning the presidency, aka beating Trump. His record is the embodiment of everything Trump ran against in 2016 and if you guys think he wont pull that fake populist thing again, you're crazy. He's already doing it on twitter by calling out the DNC planning on cheating Bernie in 2020.

Let me say this again, the only thing that can beat a fake right wing populist is a real Left Wing Populist.

One of the major things that got him elected, isn't it? Him being among the few who calls out the mainstream media to their on their constant BS'ing. A lot of people end up relating to what he says because it's true despite the fact that he's a fake person.

Fortunately, Bernie has been critical of the media as well and has been telling people that the media isn't discussing the issues that affect their daily lives for decades, and you can bet Americans will ditch Trump for Bernie IF they're given the chance.



Bernie will easily win the general, the big hurdle is the Democratic nomination.



 

LurkerJ said:
uran10 said:

On top of all of this, I also believe that there is a 0% chance of Joe Biden winning the presidency, aka beating Trump. His record is the embodiment of everything Trump ran against in 2016 and if you guys think he wont pull that fake populist thing again, you're crazy. He's already doing it on twitter by calling out the DNC planning on cheating Bernie in 2020.

Let me say this again, the only thing that can beat a fake right wing populist is a real Left Wing Populist.

One of the major things that got him elected, isn't it? Him being among the few who calls out the mainstream media to their on their constant BS'ing. A lot of people end up relating to what he says because it's true despite the fact that he's a fake person.

Fortunately, Bernie has been critical of the media as well and has been telling people that the media isn't discussing the issues that affect their daily lives for decades, and you can bet Americans will ditch Trump for Bernie IF they're given the chance.

Who do you consider to be "mainstream media" and on the other side "non-mainstream media"? Thanks & cheers!