And thats cool, but ultimately you guys are the minority not the majority. Many Xbox fans left xbox after the XBO debacle launch... and to be fair the last few years of the 360 were pretty bad in terms of content as well. Its not been good news for MS. Sony have been kicking butt in terms of games since mid of the PS3, and except at the launch of the consoles they seem to be able to ramp up pretty well.

Now having said that, Crackdown is one of the last of the early XBO titles that were announced and its obviously been through development hell, so perhaps a bad development and it being not that great isn't all unexpected. The key is that they've got it launched out of the way and can now look forward towards the next gen and hopefully not make the same mistakes. But if they go down the route of trying to make the console a media centre first and foremost, and forget about the games they'll lose (buying the studios suggests they've finally starting to rectify the mistakes of the past).

My only concern is that if MS suddenly won the next gen, and it was going more along the lines of games pass, what would stop them just closing down studios again and relying on third parties.

On the topic of Microsoft cancelling this game because they knew it was going to be sub-par, I would imagine they considered it but there was just no way that was going to happen.  Not only would it have been more bad press over another cancelled game, they'd already made SUCH a big deal over this game in particular.  They'd pinned their entire "Power of the Cloud" gambit on this title.  Cutting the cord would have meant a ton of explaining.  Besides, they still need games for their service, even if they're not very good.  

Also, this "the critics just don't get it" theme a few people are running with seems kind of silly.  I'm sure the critics get it, they're just not particularly crazy about it.  Personally, after watching gameplay video, this looks like the kind of game I'd get bored with in under an hour.  It's like the superpowers game-play of Saints Row 4 but without all the other awesome stuff that made that game a blast to play.  If a game like that is a Happy Meal then a game like this would simply be an order of fires and a cup of water--for the same price.  

I can imagine why someone might like this game.  However, I can very easily see why more people would find it boring or underwhelming.  When a game simply gives you the same thing, over and over, with no real personality or substance beyond more of the exact same "mindless fun", I think a low score is justified.  Honestly, if someone gave it to me for free on PC, I probably wouldn't even download it.  

If no game on PS4 is better than Sea of Thieves for you then certainly PS4 isn't for you. I'll consider you similar to ludicrous. Taste is reversed compared to general gamers and reviewers.

And I APPRECIATE that point, I make it all the time and I 100% agree with it. People take critics scores way too seriously as some kind of objective judgement of what they should think. But the way you wrote your comment just seems kind of disingenuous, to be honest.

"I think this game delivers what it wants to deliver: it's just mindless unserious fun where you shoot stuff and things go boom. Not more, not less. If someone wants a deeper game that's fine, there are a lot of alternatives. Not every game must be cookie cut to please everyone."

This whole quote reads to me like a way of laying responsibility off the game. Tons of games have come out that were just mindless unserious fun and a lot of them were received much better than Crackdown. The game may "deliver" mindless unserious fun, but tons of games have delivered that better (in the opinion of critics). And that's why it's getting the scores it's getting, because even if the basic concept was achieved the baggage that surrounds the game isn't good. And I think if you asked the developers, their goal for the title wasn't to make a very basic realization of a concept which has been done before. It was to make a great product out of that, and to the critics and a lot of people that doesn't seem to be the final result. Then there's the last part where you imply that "someone" is looking for a deeper game. Critics aren't giving this game low scores because they don't fundamentally understand Crackdown, or because they expected it to be a super complex title for some reason. They just don't think it's that great of a game. A lot of fans don't even seem to like this game anyways, so again, the whole "it's not for everyone" thing doesn't really apply. If it isn't for fans or connoisseurs of the genre, who is it for? Granted, a lot of people like it as well, but that's the point. It's just a mixed result of a game, it's not a misunderstood one.

Also nah, not a jab at you, lol. That's why I didn't reply to you specifically and was replying to the thread in general. I've never seen you make a comment about troll reviews. It It IS a problem I see on this site a lot, though.

I don't think the game is bad myself, I haven't played it. I sure will check out Digital Foundry's video though, I was going to watch their video anyways since one of the Digital Foundry guys said the graphics were impressive. Thanks for letting me know! Didn't know it was out yet.

Whether it's fun or not, can we now agree that there is no point in using the cloud to make games 'better'. I really don't see much happening in Wrecking zone that can't be done without the cloud. The debris doesn't affect players so there is not even any reason to keep it synced or have the server calculate it all.

To make it impressive the cloud has to send a lot more data to the console, and then the console still has to process and render all that data. Most of it is time critical. You might as well run the whole game in the cloud which is where we are going to anyway :/

It looked quite laggy already on the IGN video, yet I'll wait for a better analysis from DF. The power of the cloud is the most unimpressive stuff this gen.

Also, Forza Motorsport 2 the first forza on 360 is the worst selling. Your argument has literally held true a grand total of one time.

lets just wait and see how the game sells. Forza normally has good legs.

Its a racing game, just admit it isnt for you, there’s no point of shiiting on it. By tour logic, Bayonetta is a simulator of a woman doing hack and slash combat on mosters, meaning thats its a simulation.

Forza Horizon 4 brought a whole host of new features, its not the same every year. Lets stop with the troll drive/by posts please.

Okay I can admit that I could have made my point clearer, that's true. I just came into this thread to pat the back of Xbox fans. I think nobody who has ever been interested in this game should be discouraged because it reviewed below average, that was my single intention.

No, without a doubt objectively speaking games like God of War are "better" games than Sea of Thieves and rightfully get better reviews. But I'd rather play Sea of Thieves as it has been one of the most unique and fun gaming experiences. 

I wouldn't say my taste is reversed though, I like plenty of high rated games. Just not all of them. And sometimes absolutely love lower rated games like Quantum Break. I certainly prefer to find stuff that suits my taste rather than being a mr general opinion and this applies to music, movies and literature too.

Hey man, that's fine ! I 100% agree with that, too! Critics reviews shouldn't be thrown aside, but they aren't the be-all-end-all. If someone is interested in this game, they should absolutely try it. And luckily with Gamepass that's easier now than ever. A lot of people will basically be getting this for free, I imagine. 

Wow even rand al Thor which is a known Xbox fan that have over 1m gamerscore gave this game a 6.5 out of 10. The game is definitely not hitting well with some Xbox fans.