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Forums - Sales Discussion - December NPD 2018 thread

Evilms said:

PS4 LTD US

2016 : 5.20M (-9.2%)

What numbers are you using for 2016? Specifically November if you can, and where you got it.



Won bet with t3mporary_126 - I correctly predicted that the Wii U's LTD at the end of 2014 would be closer to 9 million than 10 million. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6673287

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switch did great. of course people want to focus on stupid stuff like one insider being slightly off in his predictions.



p0isonparadise said:
Kai_Mao said:
Are the Switch results disappointing because of analyst and our expectations? Or is it because of Nintendo’s 20 million FY shipments goal?

Switch is up 18% YoY with a Smash release. That's weak. 

If Smash hadn't released Switch would've been down YoY.

But it's not like the sky is falling on the Switch.

I mean, we've also talked about how Nintendo's first party output outside of Smash, Pokemon, and Mario Party was relatively weak for most of the year compared to last year.

That's more like, "no #%$ it would've been low without a big hitter or two." Considering outside of Kirby, Pokemon Let's Go, Smash, Mario Party, Octopath Traveler, and Mario Tennis Aces, most of the games Switch has gotten in 2018 were ports. That's the context I'm looking at.



PortisheadBiscuit said:
colafitte said:

Not wrong at all....I see those threads too, and i saw with my own eyes multiple times, he, saying being upset because people still doubted him, and he saying something similar of what i said a few times. I'm not lying at all. Then, in the last few days, when he started panicking is when he remembered, using humor, that it could be lower than 2M.

And he is the one to blame, i'm sorry, but if you make predictions and start calling people or forums like this "shit hole" for doubting him, he will receive the same treatment when he is proved wrong. I'm not defending people insulting him, but he has to face reality, because if it was the opposite, he would be repeating again, how much he is right and how people still doubt him. Eat crow, like anyone else when you're wrong and move on.

Be responsible of your words....that's all.

The only thing that's Benji's fault imo, is forgetting how childish and toxic people are on the internet. Those waiting around, licking their chops for him to be wrong about something. Now the internet has chased away yet another insider, they'll never learn. 

You have to count that of course. When you expose yourself too much (and he noticed that when he saw how his tweets started being headlines in gaming sites) you have to be more cautious about what you say. He just miscalculated the reaction of his words. Toxic people in the internet are not going to disappear.

I wish Benji comes back some day. I said previously that his insight is very useful and i always listened what he said. He just need to protect himself better, and some time in the sideline will be good for him to come back stronger and wiser.



Lmao Switch has best NPD December of this Generation. Internet forums declare Nintendo is dead.



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Switch did GREAT! Best Dec this gen and won the US this year! But it scares me that the jump from last year is not that big despite having Smash which is a HUGE success. Makes me think it might not have been as high if Smash had not released. XB1 solid for the sales it has been getting since release. Not great but solid. PS4 was a let down for me, Sony just didn't try this Dec and it shows. Overall a pretty Meh Dec for all 3.



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RetroGamer94 said:
Lmao Switch has best NPD December of this Generation. Internet forums declare Nintendo is dead.

Where are they declaring Nintendo is dead after this?



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TheBlackNaruto said:
Switch did GREAT! Best Dec this gen and won the US this year! But it scares me that the jump from last year is not that big despite having Smash which is a HUGE success. Makes me think it might not have been as high if Smash had not released. XB1 solid for the sales it has been getting since release. Not great but solid. PS4 was a let down for me, Sony just didn't try this Dec and it shows. Overall a pretty Meh Dec for all 3.

I was disappointed too with PS4 the moment it became clear Sony was not going to go all in with deals in the holiday season. Before BF i expected this to be the best Holiday season for PS4 in USA thanks to RDR2, Spiderman, GOW, ...I can't blame Sony though, because they just sold the same as last year and probably they were more profitable this way, but we, in this forums, are romantics of great numbers, and i thought PS4 could easily had achieved 19-20M sold in 2018 if Sony wanted.

With Switch, the problem is that people go from overstimating to understimating it. If you sell close to 17M in your second year at $300 is an impressive result. But when you have people all year expecting Switch to be like Wii or DS, you are going to find people disappointed with numbers like this, and it's normal. Being disappointed by something doesn't mean that thing is bad or is doing bad. Switch did great and is going to do great in 2019 again, just not like Wii or DS (at least this first few years).



TheBlackNaruto said:
Switch did GREAT! Best Dec this gen and won the US this year! But it scares me that the jump from last year is not that big despite having Smash which is a HUGE success. Makes me think it might not have been as high if Smash had not released. XB1 solid for the sales it has been getting since release. Not great but solid. PS4 was a let down for me, Sony just didn't try this Dec and it shows. Overall a pretty Meh Dec for all 3.

One potential reason I can think of is that due to January being a 5 week month last year, it shifted the tracking periods in November's favor.

2017 tracking periods

Oct 29-Nov 25

Nov 26-Dec 30

 

2018 tracking periods

Nov 4-Dec 1

Dec 2-Jan 5

 

So basically Dec 2017 included the last week of Nov which is a big holiday shopping week (includes Cyber Monday) while Dec 2018 lacked that week and instead included the first week of January where sales drop significantly.

If 2018 had the same tracking period as 2017 than I think Nov would have been a bit lower while 2018 a bit higher and is why i guess it makes more sense to compare Nov+Dec.



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Replicant said:

My prediction:
Switch: 2.2m
XB1: 1.1m
PS4: 1.0m

Actual numbers:
Switch: ~1.770.000 (19.5% lower than prediction)
XB1: ~930.000 (15.5% lower than prediction)
PS4: ~820.000 (18% lower than prediction)

My prediction was too optimistic for all 3 consoles but I was somewhat consistent in my overenthusiasm.