Bungie always had the IP, they just didn't have publishing rights. They could go wherever they want with it, but Activision still had a say. See Bayonetta 2 for another example. I also don't think you're right about Sony and Sunset Overdrive. Publishers don't "give away" IP because they don't see value in it. The Bungie/Activision deal was similar to the EA Partners program. 

This has got to be depresing. Expect a mobile game and lootbox galore grom chinese backers. I guess vivster was right. Its destiny problems had more to do with bungi. 

Without publishing rights, you can't really publish your game, so really, why did they need to make any sort of deal with Activision for the split, if they owned the IP entirely and could simply walk away with it?.

Also, for Insomniac:

"We pitched it a few different places, and it was really important to [Insomniac CEO] Ted [Price] that we own the IP, so some of the conversations broke down over that," Sunset Overdrive co-creator Marcus Smith told IGN in an interview. "With Microsoft, they just came in very energetic and excited to work with Insomniac, period."

You must understand that they will have pitched the idea to those they have worked with for years. I highly doubt that they didn't once speak to Sony about publishing the game, and them being one of the companies where talking with them fell through. 

Or more to do with the fact that Chinese gaming has been getting bigger and bigger, and as a result, those Chinese companies now have enough money and power to spread towards Western gaming now.

It will become a thing, whether we like it or not. 

I never argued the contrary.

However... Just because a game gets a PC release, doesn't mean the PC will be the focal point.
The PC is littered with the corpses of fallen video games that had a terrible PC release... Almost every title that is released in the Windows Store falls into that category.. And that is entirely because of the pitfalls the Universal Windows Platform brings to the table.

Indeed. The Chinese have stupidly deep wallets... And are making inroads everywhere.

True, but again, the issue is they want a suporter that would keep their hands off. We know that the chinese market is mmore free to play hevy monetized route. things that dont rreally scream quaity.

You silly boy you already  answered your own question "so really why did they need to make any sort of deal with Activision for the split" with your first statement "without publishing rights ,you can't really publish your game".

I wasn't really asking myself a question. I was asking them the kind of question that I already knew the answer to. I knew why the deal was made in the first place, and I know why they split. 

Well, they actually wanted some freedom first, which they now have, as well as someone already supporting their games. It just so happens that said supporter is not someone anyone here likes, or someone that offers a great benefit to them(console exclusivity).

Yes, and we also know that said models are very, very appetizing to the AAA market, which seeks to just make more money, and showing very little care for games that gamers want. This is why we have a new term "games for investors", rather than games for gamers today. 

Thing is, quality, ultimately, and yet having to be mentioned again, is entirely subjective. What is great quality to you can easily be crap to someone else, and it's really hard to contest your tastes being objective over someone else's, when the reality is, yes it is entirely subjective and it's impossible to argue your tastes being textbook objective over others. 

That makes sense, my confusion came about from not so much  your questions  more their order .and even more so me not paying attention to what you were replying to .

What I found funny in Bungie's statement about the Chinese deal was them insisting it wouldn't affect the Bungie /Activision deal, what hasn't been talked about is Bungie's new game Matter and whether or not it's primary  aim is the Chinese market.