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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 15 December 2018

drinkandswim said:
The #2 Best Console (PS4) won't see as much of a hit as the #3 (Xbox). But of course Nintendo will be ruling the Video Game Market at least until 2022.

Whoa RULING the market until AT LEAST 2022....now that is a bold claim. And when you say ruling what exactly do you mean?



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Mandalore76 said:
DonFerrari said:

 

You can buy and use it even without the dock. They may also at some point sell standalone docks so you can hook up to other TVs in the house.

 

The Dock is what charges the system.  "2nd Switch Set" doesn't come with the dock or the AC cable, because it is assumed the Buyer has both of these things from "their 1st Switch Set".  In the US, they do sell standalone docks for separate TV's.  I bought 1 to keep at my parent's home whom I visit frequently, and for travel.  It's much more convenient than lugging any of my other consoles around.  But, that doesn't change what the "2nd Switch Set" is.

You can use a regular usb cable and power outlet. You don't need the dock to charge. Also haven't seem the dock standalone yet, thanks to saying it is already being sold.

TheBlackNaruto said:
GuyDuke said:

Not your nonsense. The nonsense of other people trying to distort reality and nourish uncalled hate for the hybrid system.

Could you point me to the "hate" for the hybrid system that you are talking about in this thread?  Again because I am seeing some good debating but no hate.

drinkandswim said:
There is no Sales Competition between Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo Switch. Tell that to Sony who is down 10% YOY and had to offer a ridiculous Black Friday sale to tie Nintendo for the month of November, and Microsoft who had a new revision, price cut, and ridiculous Black Friday sale to remain flat YOY.

Down 10% and offered a "ridiculous" BF sale just to tie Nin even though they didn't tie with Nin for Nov they sold more.... and even though they had the same sale last year. That is a NORMAL BF sale for most consoles in their 5th year lol. Like are you being serious or joking with this post? Nin Sold AMAZING being well up YoY for Nov and will be doing the same for Dec being well up YoY. The Switch is on FIRE!!! And Sony will be pretty much flat/slightly down from its peak year which is pretty freaking good if you ask me! And MS well they have not had the best gen period so they are just normal lol.

zorg1000 said:

Consoles being flat/slightly down in year 5, how absurd!!!!!!

Thank goodness I wasn't the only one who felt this way....like geesh.

The only hate I have seem was from people saying whoever isn't seeing Switch as them is a hateful or malicious person.

Flilix said:
CrazyGPU said:

Edit: I forgot. for those that say that the switch is everything because you have a home and mobile device,

The Switch is like a duck, it can run, fly and swim. But it flies like a duck. And PS4 and XBOX are eagles. Don´t compare ducs and eagles ,the flying experience is different ;)

that doesn´t make the ps4 swim..... choises.

I don't get why you're downplaying ducks so much, you're seriously underestimating their flying abilities.

Ducks fly pretty fast, at about 80 km/h. They also have great stamina, and take way longer flights (thousands of kilometers, in only a few days time) than birds like the eagle.

And eagles don't actually fly particullarly fast, they average around 50 km/h - which is a fair bit slower than ducks. They only reach top speeds of 250 km/h when taking a nosedive.



So I think it's quite clear that the Switch is the better console.

Seems like you put him in a check-mate.



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TheBlackNaruto said:
drinkandswim said:
The #2 Best Console (PS4) won't see as much of a hit as the #3 (Xbox). But of course Nintendo will be ruling the Video Game Market at least until 2022.

Whoa RULING the market until AT LEAST 2022....now that is a bold claim. And when you say ruling what exactly do you mean?

#1 Global Hardware sales until 2022. At least maybe longer. We will see if that starts in 2018 or 2019 soon!



Mar1217 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Debating between direct and indirect comp and debating on Home vs Handheld is not downplaying....why are so many people reaching? heck I wasn't even in the debate and I saw no hate. I even saw those same people saying it was a smart move and a hit for Nintendo with the hybrid but yet that is downplaying? Like come on people. 

The clux of the argumentation I've seen from one side came as a desperate effort in not recognizing the Switch as a device that should compete in direct opposition with other home consoles because of it's broad offering despite having feature akin of what you find in any home console devices. Does it come from hate ? Absolutely not. That's way too strong of a word to even say such a thing, annoyance may be what you're searching for instead.

Annoyance yeah that can be said. But that can be said for just about any and everything to be honest but I can actually respect that more than someone saying downplaying or hating. Heck during the Wii era it was said that it was not direct comp with the PS4/XB1 and it seemed to be a general consensus. The PS3/XB360 directly competed and the Wii indirectly. Not sure why it is all of a sudden such a big deal with saying it about the Switch.

drinkandswim said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Whoa RULING the market until AT LEAST 2022....now that is a bold claim. And when you say ruling what exactly do you mean?

#1 Global Hardware sales until 2022. At least maybe longer. We will see if that starts in 2018 or 2019 soon!

So then if that is the case why in your previous post did you put the PS4 as the #2 console and XB1 as the #3? Wouldn't the PS4 be number 1 since it is the #1 console in global hardware sales for 2018? Or are you saying you think the Switch will be #1 for 2018? Lastly so you are saying the Switch will be the number one global console until 2022 at the LEAST. So what are you Switch sales predictions for those years then?



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RolStoppable said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Debating between direct and indirect comp and debating on Home vs Handheld is not downplaying....why are so many people reaching? heck I wasn't even in the debate and I saw no hate. I even saw those same people saying it was a smart move and a hit for Nintendo with the hybrid but yet that is downplaying? Like come on people. 

You are missing the big picture. What's going on in this thread is the same as ten years ago when people who were upset by high Wii sales tried to put Wii in a different market, the goal being that if Wii is in a different market, then PS or Xbox would remain the sales leader in the market that matters.

The people who go smarter about this do it by using backhanded compliments, such as "it was smart by Nintendo to make a handheld that connects to the TV." If you look at the post I replied to before yours, you'll spot the compliment that "Nintendo makes high quality games with great creativity" that stands in complete contradiction with the rest of the post. If the aforementioned statement were truly believed by the person who said it, they would have concluded that Switch sales exploded this holiday season because of Nintendo's strong first party lineup. But instead said person pursued a longwinded way to arrive at a different and illogical conclusion that makes it more comforting for them to accept the high Switch sales.

But ten years ago the consensus was pretty much almost everywhere that the Wii was indirectly competing with the PS3/XB360. The HD twins competed directly with each other and the Wii indirectly competed. That's why the PS3/Wii combo or the XB360/Wii combo were debated on which was best. Even though for me having all 3 was best just like now lol.

Now for the rest I can see that and maybe I was just not looking at it as deeply and just took it for what was said. I didn't really get that underlining/downplaying/hating feeling with those posts. I just saw some good debates coming from both sides. Maybe I was just being naive to it though.



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TheBlackNaruto said:
RolStoppable said:

You are missing the big picture. What's going on in this thread is the same as ten years ago when people who were upset by high Wii sales tried to put Wii in a different market, the goal being that if Wii is in a different market, then PS or Xbox would remain the sales leader in the market that matters.

The people who go smarter about this do it by using backhanded compliments, such as "it was smart by Nintendo to make a handheld that connects to the TV." If you look at the post I replied to before yours, you'll spot the compliment that "Nintendo makes high quality games with great creativity" that stands in complete contradiction with the rest of the post. If the aforementioned statement were truly believed by the person who said it, they would have concluded that Switch sales exploded this holiday season because of Nintendo's strong first party lineup. But instead said person pursued a longwinded way to arrive at a different and illogical conclusion that makes it more comforting for them to accept the high Switch sales.

But ten years ago the consensus was pretty much almost everywhere that the Wii was indirectly competing with the PS3/XB360. The HD twins competed directly with each other and the Wii indirectly competed. That's why the PS3/Wii combo or the XB360/Wii combo were debated on which was best. Even though for me having all 3 was best just like now lol.

Now for the rest I can see that and maybe I was just not looking at it as deeply and just took it for what was said. I didn't really get that underlining/downplaying/hating feeling with those posts. I just saw some good debates coming from both sides. Maybe I was just being naive to it though.

You have to think, why was it brought up in the first place? Why would someone bring up Switch being a handheld that hooks up to a TV and that it's not a direct competitor to PS4/XBO in this thread? It has nothing to do with weekly sales so the only logical conclusion is that they did it to downplay the fact that it had an amazing week.



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zorg1000 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

But ten years ago the consensus was pretty much almost everywhere that the Wii was indirectly competing with the PS3/XB360. The HD twins competed directly with each other and the Wii indirectly competed. That's why the PS3/Wii combo or the XB360/Wii combo were debated on which was best. Even though for me having all 3 was best just like now lol.

Now for the rest I can see that and maybe I was just not looking at it as deeply and just took it for what was said. I didn't really get that underlining/downplaying/hating feeling with those posts. I just saw some good debates coming from both sides. Maybe I was just being naive to it though.

You have to think, why was it brought up in the first place? Why would someone bring up Switch being a handheld that hooks up to a TV and that it's not a direct competitor to PS4/XBO in this thread? It has nothing to do with weekly sales so the only logical conclusion is that they did it to downplay the fact that it had an amazing week.

That I can see and go with. But that was just one person that said that. The others I just saw good healthy debating but that one guy yes I can see his post as a downplaying. I appreciate as always man. A very calm and reasonable poster you are my good sir!



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zorg1000 said:

I am being fair, I find it concerning that you find issues in my argument using actual data but not his which is nothing more than a rant.

You are correct, Switch is significantly ahead of Wii U and significantly behind 3DS. How in any way does that support a handheld or console argument?

If you want to bring up PS4, how about we also being up Vita? It's the worst selling Playstation system in Japan ever, had a ~70% drop from PSP and sold just over half of what PS3/PS4 have/will sell.

By the logic you and CrazyGPU are using, Vita should have sold much more than PS3/PS4 because handhelds are more popular than traditional consoles.

Relax....

I am not in Switch better than wiiU but worse than 3ds. In between. As a hybrid would be. Especially in japan. I didnt say ur numbers were wrong. Or atttack them..

You know what foret I said anything. I am bowing out of the debate.



RolStoppable said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Debating between direct and indirect comp and debating on Home vs Handheld is not downplaying....why are so many people reaching? heck I wasn't even in the debate and I saw no hate. I even saw those same people saying it was a smart move and a hit for Nintendo with the hybrid but yet that is downplaying? Like come on people. 

You are missing the big picture. What's going on in this thread is the same as ten years ago when people who were upset by high Wii sales tried to put Wii in a different market, the goal being that if Wii is in a different market, then PS or Xbox would remain the sales leader in the market that matters.

The people who go smarter about this do it by using backhanded compliments, such as "it was smart by Nintendo to make a handheld that connects to the TV." If you look at the post I replied to before yours, you'll spot the compliment that "Nintendo makes high quality games with great creativity" that stands in complete contradiction with the rest of the post. If the aforementioned statement were truly believed by the person who said it, they would have concluded that Switch sales exploded this holiday season because of Nintendo's strong first party lineup. But instead said person pursued a longwinded way to arrive at a different and illogical conclusion that makes it more comforting for them to accept the high Switch sales.

The market that matters?

Wait.... so to me the NS is a handheld in every sense of the word that plugs to a TV and me saying this somehow is backhanded? I accept that its a hybrid, but I see it as more of a handhled (and an expensive one at that) and I have been anything the same thin since before the NS launched. But for me to say that now while saying the NS has sld well or whatever is downplaying?

Whats going on here lol.....



zorg1000 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

But ten years ago the consensus was pretty much almost everywhere that the Wii was indirectly competing with the PS3/XB360. The HD twins competed directly with each other and the Wii indirectly competed. That's why the PS3/Wii combo or the XB360/Wii combo were debated on which was best. Even though for me having all 3 was best just like now lol.

Now for the rest I can see that and maybe I was just not looking at it as deeply and just took it for what was said. I didn't really get that underlining/downplaying/hating feeling with those posts. I just saw some good debates coming from both sides. Maybe I was just being naive to it though.

You have to think, why was it brought up in the first place? Why would someone bring up Switch being a handheld that hooks up to a TV and that it's not a direct competitor to PS4/XBO in this thread? It has nothing to do with weekly sales so the only logical conclusion is that they did it to downplay the fact that it had an amazing week.

I don't get why it's important to either side. It's not like Switch will take more/less market share from PS4 depending on whether we define it as a hybrid/handheld/home console.

What do either side gain?