PS4 had mid cycle, increased sales after year 1, PS3 and X360 as well (and they had the move and kinect mid gen if you wish). So we are to believe all consoles will now sell flat with no increase from year 1 to 2 and 3 because of mid cycle that may or may not happen? What type of excuse is that?

You are a hard person. Selling the same thing from year 1 to 5 isn't really a good thing. Also please explain how you turn around sales by staying flat? And if the reveal was so damaging the effects wouldn't show 3 years later.

I"ll take that bet. 

And dont worry about the sigs. Ill make avatars that states what was lost lol.

The 3DS was a handheld. And sold like a handheld But only for a while because the typical handheld audience shifted to mobile. Thats what the NS doesn't have. That super casual mobile crowd. It also doesn't have that multiple handhelds per household thing either. A parent today will sooner buy 3 $50 android tablets for her 3 kids than buy 3 NS.... even if it cost $199. Thats just the world we live in today. Unless something changes.

And I have talked about comparing nintendo platforms already. Its difficult because they mostly all bring different things to the table. Like this is not a handheld its a hybrid. So it will sell like a hybrid. Tracking better than the 3DS doesnt mean anything if it starts to stall by the time it gets to 60M sales 

Putting words in my mouth yet again. Did I say its possible to turn around sales by staying flat?  Did I say the Xbox One is doing very well?  The only thing I said was that Kinect boosted X360 a lot, which will help it pull away from the Xbox One launches aligned (in the US)

Stop putting words in my mouth.

edit: What I'm saying is, Xbox has the same amount of wind in the sail as it did in 2014, whether you think that a very little amount or a very high amount.

I do not know how else to say this without what I am saying being twisted.

1. I do not believe the NS will sell more than the 3DS.
   
   
2. And that is because I do not believe that any console can sell that many units on the merit f their first party software alone. And nintendo never actually have accomplished this. More on this in number 4
   
   
3. The only exception is the wii... and that was driven more by the novelty of the hardware (motion controls) than anything else.
   
   
4. And while nintend makes great games why i say nintendo games will not be enough is because of the nature of the nintendo audience. They don't just buy great games they primarily buy Nintendo games. And therin lies the problem. 
   
   If yu look at the PS4 for instance, Yu have the people that will buy the console for overwatch, those for GOW, those for COD, those for madden, those for assasins creed, thse for RDR......etc. And all these people can buy just the one or two games and none of the others.
   
   Now look at the library of most nintendo gamers. They could have 10 games and all are made by nintendo. So what tends to happen is that you have a lot of shared bases. The 5M people that bought the NS for Zelda make up 4M of the 5M that will buy it for Mario. This is why you can have a 20M install base and all of mario, zelda..... the usual suspects have all sold over 10M units. These games are most sold to the same people. When pokemn is released, mst of that 20M people will g and buy it. Along with the couple million new people the IP will bring to the fold. 
   
   Basically, with nintendo platforms what tends to happen is a lack of user diversity. They are all playing very diverse genres, but the all come from nintendo. So basically its like they are all buying one game. I don't knw if that makes sense.  Its like they arent just buying different games. They are buying nintendo.  

I am dumbfounded.

According to his logic Smash Ultimate would never be able to move Nintendo Switch because every Smash Ultimate buyers have already owned the switch.  In Japan Smash managed to move 280K hardware in a week to be the biggest week ever for big Nintendo game release week. 

Benji-Sales

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@BenjiSales

 Not only is Super Smash Bros Ultimate tracking well ahead of Pokemon Let's Go! in the US, it's also having a stronger impact on selling hardware.

Switch sales tracking very strong in early December

Damn, Benji is lying once again. 

Then you lack simple readin comprehension because that is not what I am saying. 

And you need to t drop this Benji nonsense. If you wanna share his comments go right ahead. But leave the side remarks out f it and stop twisting what he says. Thts just bait.  

He never said PS4 is doing poorly....please, if you're going to quote someone else, do it correctly. He said Switch is leading by a huge margin, nothing else. PS4 and XBO could still sell 1M which should be considered "fine" and Switch still lead by "a huge margin" if it sell 2M, for example.