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Forums - Sales Discussion - November NPD 2018 Thread

LipeJJ said:
Intrinsic said:
Wait..... what am I reading in this thread all f a sudden.

Is there a single person alive that thinks a console will keep selling better than it did the previous year for ever?

Some of you here are talking about PS4 being down YOY and also going to be down YOY like thats somehow a bad thing. Or is somehow abnormal.


The PS4 has ran its race. And its been a good one. Its one leg out the door already and its n track t be another 100M selling console from sony. What more do you guys want?

Heres a news flash. Next year the PS4 will sell less than it did this year. And the year after that even less. This is not because its having its ass handed to it by the NS..... its because its reached the end of its life. This same strange thing has happened to around 12 consoles over the past 4 or so generations. Shocking I know.

That's probably because at the beginning of the year there were discussions on whether PS4 would be up or down this year, and lots of people believed it could be up and defended it using the argument that this year would have a much better first party and exclusive line up. 

But I don't think I've seen anyone believe that PS4 would be up in 2019 from 2018 (GribbleGrunger was being sarcastic).

PS4 being down YOY from now on shouldn't be a huge surprise.



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chakkra said:
chakkra said:

[PS4] 1550K

[NSW] 1350K

[XB1] 1300K

Well well well, will you look at that..  I don't think I have ever been this close before.  Looks like I'm getting better at this :)

Great job!

 

Shadow1980 said:

More charts!

Thanks a lot.

Always informative and exciting to read through.



Yeah, Switch with just current confirmed lineup of Nintendo games, very possible revision and most likely price put, should have quite stronger next year in sales than did this year.

For PS4 and XB1 is expected they will be down in any case, not just they will in its 6. year on market, but because also next year will start heavy talk about PS5/XB2.
Saying that PS4 is done great in its 5. year market and XB1 also had great year compared to some past years, both consoles will also have solid 2019. years even if most likely will YoY down in any case.



LGBTDBZBBQ said:

Things will get ugly next year for PS4 and XBX1 hardware. Switch on the other hand with Metroid Prime 4, Animal Crossing, NSMBUD, FE 3 Houses, Marvel UA3, Yoshi, and the biggest exclusive in this generation Mainline Pokemon Game plus rumored new hardware revision are going to make Switch explodes in the 3rd year.

woah, you really think a super popular nintendo console in its third year will be able to beat ps4 in its sixth year? incredible man

you are vastly overestimating the affect the switch is having on the other consoles sales figures. it's going to do great and the other consoles are going to be down, but they will be down because of their age, not because of the switch. also think you are overestimating how much they will be down too



LGBTDBZBBQ said:

Things will get ugly next year for PS4 and XBX1 hardware. Switch on the other hand with Metroid Prime 4, Animal Crossing, NSMBUD,

FE 3 Houses, Marvel UA3, Yoshi, and the biggest exclusive in this generation Mainline Pokemon Game plus rumored

new hardware revision are going to make Switch explodes in the 3rd year.

I really don't think so.  PS4 line up will be amazing next year, with next Goty The Last of Us Part II, Days Gone, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima,

and all the best 3rd Party games which cannot even run on the Switch.   Furthermore, Sony is still holding back a worldwide price-cut,

and we all know how much PS4 would sell at 199$/€ !

 2019 will be another amazing year for PS4, which is proving to have an almost unparalleled success, only second to PS2.    


 

  


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LGBTDBZBBQ said:
Switch is going to win in Japan(XD) and the US at the end.

I understand your dreams, but I think PS4 will win everywhere apart from Japan, which is the smallest and least important market nowdays.

 And Europe, well, Sony Land for ever, without any competition.



”Every great dream begins with a dreamer. Always remember, you have within you the strength, the patience, and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world.”

Harriet Tubman.

Nate4Drake said:
LGBTDBZBBQ said:

Things will get ugly next year for PS4 and XBX1 hardware. Switch on the other hand with Metroid Prime 4, Animal Crossing, NSMBUD,

FE 3 Houses, Marvel UA3, Yoshi, and the biggest exclusive in this generation Mainline Pokemon Game plus rumored

new hardware revision are going to make Switch explodes in the 3rd year.

I really don't think so.  PS4 line up will be amazing next year, with next Goty The Last of Us Part II, Days Gone, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima,

and all the best 3rd Party games which cannot even run on the Switch.   Furthermore, Sony is still holding back a worldwide price-cut,

and we all know how much PS4 would sell at 199$/€ !

 2019 will be another amazing year for PS4, which is proving to have an almost unparalleled success, only second to PS2.    

From those games only Days Gone is currently confirmed for 2019. release, games like The Last of Us Part II,  Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima could easily have cross gen launch in same time on PS4 and PS5, and that would have effect on PS4 sales in any case.

3rd party will strong for PS4 like always.

Yes we know, this second time Sony was selling PS4 at price point of $200, so people already have plenty occasions buying PS4 for less than $300.

2019. will be good year for PS4, but most likely will be YOY down in any case compared to this year.

 

 

Nate4Drake said:
LGBTDBZBBQ said:
Switch is going to win in Japan(XD) and the US at the end.

I understand your dreams, but I think PS4 will win everywhere apart from Japan, which is the smallest and least important market nowdays.

 And Europe, well, Sony Land for ever, without any competition.

He is right thought, US was always strongest market for Nintendo same like Europe was for Sony, Switch has good chances beating PS4 in US at end, for now they are selling very similar in US for same time period.

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Awesome to see Xbox outselling switch in the US



Sony really doesn't want to stock much Ps4s at 199s, they would've break 2M.



Shadow1980 said:

More charts!

 

Well, the XBO managed to barely hold on to its vanishing surplus over the 360. Looks like I my prediction for when it would fall behind was a bit off, since the XBO wasn't down YoY as much as I thought it would be. But unless it pulls off a miracle next month it will fall behind the 360. And when it does fall behind, that deficit will not go away.

But overall, current-gen sales for conventional consoles (PS+Xbox) are still strong, though not quite as strong as last year. The XBO was down 2.6% while the PS4 was down 6.4%. This is with deals comparable to last year. Now, that's not a big drop by any means, but it could be an early warning sign that both systems are about to enter the terminal decline phase of their lives. They are now at just shy of 51 million units sold LTD combined, and by the end of next month will likely be at over 53M. By comparison, at the end of 2011 the 360 and PS3 were at 52.65M. 2012 was when both of those systems began to irreversibly decline.

Now, I still hear the refrains about price cuts, but I still maintain that if the PS4 and/or XBO get a price cut, that it will be a modest one that doesn't affect sales much. Systems rarely get price cuts this late in life, and they never get deep cuts, so $50 is the most we should expect for the base models. And in those rare occasions when a system got a price cut this far into its life, it had negligible impact on sales. Sales of the slimline models might decline more slowly than they would in the absence of a price cut, and a $350 Pro and $400-450 X1X could spur a modest increase in upgrades, but Sony & MS are running out of customers to sell their systems to. There is a maximum addressable market for "conventional" consoles, with only so many households willing, able, and planning to buy one of a given generation at some point during that generation. The PS3 & 360 ended up at 70 million units sold lifetime in the U.S. between the two of them, and I doubt the PS4 & XBO will be able to expand the market substantially more than that. The decline is coming, if not next year then definitely the following year. And there were already some warning signs this year that it's already about to start. All of the PS4's YoY growth this year has been thanks to God of War, Spider-Man, and Red Dead. Take out April, September, and October and the PS4 is down YoY. Meanwhile, the boost to the XBO's sales from the X1X appeared to have exhausted itself by September, which was flat YoY, and while the X1X helped give the XBO its best Q1 ever this year, Q2 was only its second-best Q2, and Q3 was ranked fourth, ahead of only last year's underwhelming Q3. And now we have a December that's down, albeit only slightly.

Q1 2019 will be the first real test to see if the PS4 and XBO have exhausted their maximum sales potential, at least at their current regular price points. Combined PS3+360 sales were down 18% YoY in Q1 2012, and if the PS4 & XBO are down anywhere close to that, we might have gotten out answer to the "are they post-peak?" question. And it's worth pointing out that Q2 & Q3 2012 were even worse for the 360 & PS3, with combined sales dropping 33.7% and 35%, respectively, though Q4 was down by "only" 24% (possibly due to the increasing prevalence of big holiday deals). I could see permanent price cuts to the PS4 & XBO preventing drops that bad, but 2019 could be down at least 15% overall for the Q1-Q3 period.

 

Moving along to Nintendo's end.

The Switch's 2018 has, with only one month remaining to be counted, only 7% behind the PS4's 2015. The Switch will need to sell at least 1.87M in December to tie the PS4's 2015. Certainly a possibility if Smash can move enough units.

The Switch is also absolutely crushing the 3DS. Like, it's not even close. After 21 months on the market, the Switch has sold about 8.74M units, 36.7% more than the nearly 6.4M units the 3DS sold in its first 21 months. And the Switch has shown that its more than capable of supporting the U.S. market on its own. For Year 2 sales, the Switch has so far sold 17.7% more units than the 3DS & Wii U did in their second years. It fell short last year of beating combined 3DS+Wii U sales (thanks mainly to the 3DS having an amazing December in 2012, which was better than any month the PS4 or XBO have had), but it's made up for it this year, and with the big YoY boost for November total Year 1 + Year 2 sales for the Switch are now ahead. To beat total Year 3 sales for the 3DS & Wii U, the Switch will need to sell over 5.2M units next year. With the possibility of a price cut and/or a hardware revision and the guarantee of the debut of the first Gen VIII Pokemon game, I think it's safe to say it'll exceed that by a comfortable margin. I honestly think there's a really good chance that the Switch will sell over 30 million units lifetime in the U.S. It'll be at over half that by the end of next year.

Nice job! =) It will be interesting to see how current gen Playstation and Xbox fares against last gen next year. 360 should really make up for a huge climb compared to the XBO, how did the PS3 look in it's 6th year in the NPD?

Switch probably should beat PS4 2015 but It could be close.