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@ Dodece

What were the "epic failures" you speak of?



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CAL4M1TY said:
Personally, I think if miyamoto didn't do what he did over 2 decades ago, someone else would have (either slower or faster, better or worse etc).

Fact that he did though, I would consider Miyamoto to be the father of modern day gaming (considering games can technically stretch as far back as checkers/chess/card games) because he did start the era of gaming we are in today (with Super Mario Bros), despite not actually being the person to make the first "game" as we know the word to be today.

 Eh, I honestly think PC gaming would of just took over.  Probably would be almost no "action adventure" type games and pure RPGs and more FPS and RTS.  

Which... we're heading that way anyway what with Microsofts assumed main goal to make their videogame systems a computer for your living room, and PS3 an entertainment hub for your living room.

 



companies would have eventually moved in. the unfortunate thing i think it established was ninty dominance over their domain. i think without shigy others would have done stuff at a bit slower pace, but eventually gotten here. the problem is that no one could keep up with him. he might have actually slowed competition.



my pillars of gaming: kh, naughty dog, insomniac, ssb, gow, ff

i officially boycott boycotts.  crap.

what Miyamto-sama did to video gamin' industry is simply what Albert EINSTEIN did to physics ( Imagination is more important than knowledge ).



Who is Shigeru Miyamoto? Is that a Japanese video game company?



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I'd say Miyamoto was the first gaming auteur. He was the first developer to have such a unique style you could smell his games and know he made them.

I'd say the industry was saved by a 3-pronged super attack.

Miyamoto: software domination
Yokoi: hardware domination
Yamauchi: business domination



Yokoi didn't just do hardware--even separate from Metroid. He mentored Miyamoto in the early days--back when Miyamoto was a graphic designer who had never worked on a video game and was enlisted to create a new arcade game for the American market. It was Yokoi who showed him the video game ropes, and they together developed Miyamoto's idea of a guy climbing a construction site and jumping over barrels to save his girl from a big ape.

And Yokoi also is the father of Nintendo's operating philosophy-lateral thinking of whithered technology. That is, using not the most cutting edge technology that isn't quite understood yet and can't really be optimized, but rather using well established technology in new ways and optimizing it on top of that. So it's him and the way Nintendo has followed that philosophy that we can thank for a black and white Gameboy with incredibly long life, a less powerful DS (compared to PSP) that takes advantage of a touch screen and, of course, a non-HD Wii available for $250 that uses motion controls. By the same token, he's also the one we can "thank" for a Nintendo 64 that used cartridges, not optical discs, and a Gamcube that used tiny propriatary optical discs and not DVDs. So most of Nintendo's failures (and, of course, many of their biggest hardware successes), can be laid at is feet, not Miyamoto's (and that's not even taking to account the Virtual Boy).

And while people may not like Miyamoto's general kid-friendly-ness, there's very little he's ever done that hasn't turned out well if not better. However diminished Nintendo's success was the previous two generations, a huge chunk of what was successful was because of Miyamoto.



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jalsonmi said:
Yokoi didn't just do hardware--even separate from Metroid. He mentored Miyamoto in the early days--back when Miyamoto was a graphic designer who had never worked on a video game and was enlisted to create a new arcade game for the American market. It was Yokoi who showed him the video game ropes, and they together developed Miyamoto's idea of a guy climbing a construction site and jumping over barrels to save his girl from a big ape.

And Yokoi also is the father of Nintendo's operating philosophy-lateral thinking of whithered technology. That is, using not the most cutting edge technology that isn't quite understood yet and can't really be optimized, but rather using well established technology in new ways and optimizing it on top of that. So it's him and the way Nintendo has followed that philosophy that we can thank for a black and white Gameboy with incredibly long life, a less powerful DS (compared to PSP) that takes advantage of a touch screen and, of course, a non-HD Wii available for $250 that uses motion controls. By the same token, he's also the one we can "thank" for a Nintendo 64 that used cartridges, not optical discs, and a Gamcube that used tiny propriatary optical discs and not DVDs. So most of Nintendo's failures (and, of course, many of their biggest hardware successes), can be laid at is feet, not Miyamoto's (and that's not even taking to account the Virtual Boy).

And while people may not like Miyamoto's general kid-friendly-ness, there's very little he's ever done that hasn't turned out well if not better. However diminished Nintendo's success was the previous two generations, a huge chunk of what was successful was because of Miyamoto.

Yeah, I agree. To suggest that Miyamoto was responsible for Nintendo's failures as Dodece did, is flawed. I think he simply equates Miyamoto with Nintendo entirely, which as you've pointed out, is certainly not the case.

Likewise, it would be wrong to lay the blame directly at Gunpei Yokoi. Although his withered technology philosophy persists, he certainly wasn't responsible for the Gamecube. And Nintendo haven't always followed his design philosophy given that the SNES, the N64 and the Gamecube were all very powerful with respect to hardware. Furthermore, although the Virtual Boy was a disaster, Nintendo rushed to release it well before Yokoi was ready. Nintendo is the sum of all its parts.



Dodece said:
The father of gaming was and always will be Ralph Baer. This man brought about gamings genesis. Miyamoto is but one in a string of individuals that has refined gaming. Do not confuse a gaming superstar with gamings creator. A better analogy is to see Miyamoto as one of gamings prophets.

Further more Miyamoto is one of the more quixotic prophets. His noble goals often overlook the practical necessities of the industry. Often enough frustrating progress, and at other times actually hurting the industry. Miyamoto is a very one dimensional character without others in the industry countering his pull is the past the situation today might be more dire, and we might even be talking about the gaming collapse of the mid nineties.

Without others pulling the console industry in to more mature directions today almost everyone would be playing on the PC exclusively. We would refer to consoles as something very young children use rather then adults. I know I will get lambasted for it, but there is only so much E for everyone gameplay that a grown adult can stomach. That is what Miyamoto specializes in. Had Miyamoto not been aggressively opposed he would have driven the hardware and the software into the ground.

While you may ponder all the good he has done the industry. Take time and notice some of the epic failures he has produced. His dogged determination to follow his vision has quite often lead Nintendo down some dark paths.

In my opinion that's some of the worst flamebait, stealth trolling and character assassination I've seen you write. The "Nintendo is teh kiddies" stealth troll is amazingly bad. What happened?



Miyamoto and Nintendo did a lot to repair the console industry. Moreover, they did a lot to make it something more than a niche industry. Whether or not someone else could have come along and gotten the job done eventually is unimportant as no one else could have done it when Nintendo did it and they almost certainly couldn't have done it as well. So, yeah, Shiggy is essentially the father of console gaming. He may not have invented it, but he saved it AND made it cool.



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