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DonFerrari said:
Mnementh said:

Sooo, Wolfenstein should be neutral towards the Nazis and don't call them evil?

If so they wish, probably would give them a big backlash, but you understood the point. If you choose a side as a company on a very divisive matter and push half your userbase as evil, you certainly will lose.

No, I disagree. Art should meddle in divise issues. As I said before, there are ways to make it subtle and as a incentive to think about stuff, or you could make it one-sided and blatant. That is the real question, and it basically boils down to good vs. bad art.

Look, a classic work of art in germany is 'Nathan the Wise' from Gotthold Ephraim Lessing. It is a work of art that includes at it's heart a discussion that was pretty current at the time, the Fragmentenstreit (seemingly no english wikipedia article for this). That was an important discussion about humanitarism and the role of religion in it. Lessing took a stance here and incorporated into his work of art (especially since his opponent Goeze reached a partial publication ban on Lessing, so he had to publish his ideas in art). Still, Lessing managed to make his play a good work of art, that until today is in high regard - because of it's political content AND despite of it's political content.

With what is written in this thread, Lessings work should be smaller because of the inclusion of a political agenda. But my point here is, that you can include your political agenda in your art in a bad way, or do it good. And Lessing obviously did it in a great way.



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Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

If so they wish, probably would give them a big backlash, but you understood the point. If you choose a side as a company on a very divisive matter and push half your userbase as evil, you certainly will lose.

No, I disagree. Art should meddle in divise issues. As I said before, there are ways to make it subtle and as a incentive to think about stuff, or you could make it one-sided and blatant. That is the real question, and it basically boils down to good vs. bad art.

Look, a classic work of art in germany is 'Nathan the Wise' from Gotthold Ephraim Lessing. It is a work of art that includes at it's heart a discussion that was pretty current at the time, the Fragmentenstreit (seemingly no english wikipedia article for this). That was an important discussion about humanitarism and the role of religion in it. Lessing took a stance here and incorporated into his work of art (especially since his opponent Goeze reached a partial publication ban on Lessing, so he had to publish his ideas in art). Still, Lessing managed to make his play a good work of art, that until today is in high regard - because of it's political content AND despite of it's political content.

With what is written in this thread, Lessings work should be smaller because of the inclusion of a political agenda. But my point here is, that you can include your political agenda in your art in a bad way, or do it good. And Lessing obviously did it in a great way.

I know you get the point.

Sony isn't an artist, they are a company. If they offend half or more of their fanbase they will lose money out of it, it is pretty simple. They may employ artist and they may make good points regarding politics in a natural way in the game, but the day Sony or their games start painting conservatives or any right wing person as extremist and evil they will certainly get a big backlash. Even more considering people that dwell to deep on the PC side end up being eaten one by the other for not being progressive enough.



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As a PlayStation fan and so far a fan of Naughty Dog as long as they make great games, then I can still game on. Players will vote with their wallets whether or not a developer made the right decision to push a political view point or not. If it's so sloppy and focus more on BS than it does a hero or heroin (or anything in between) saving the freaking day then the developers will know if their game barely triggers 200k sold at launch compared to their previous titles selling of 2 million at launch.



Cut my ties with any of the 3 that do such a terrible thing. Just stay with Steam.



Vizigoth04 said:

As a PlayStation fan and so far a fan of Naughty Dog as long as they make great games, then I can still game on. Players will vote with their wallets whether or not a developer made the right decision to push a political view point or not. If it's so sloppy and focus more on BS than it does a hero or heroin (or anything in between) saving the freaking day then the developers will know if their game barely triggers 200k sold at launch compared to their previous titles selling of 2 million at launch.

I never played the Last of Us franchise but I heard the girl was already lesbian before Last of Us 2 and the IP now revolves around her I can see many not caring about it but I was thinking existing IPs that weren't affected in the beginning like Zelda though I haven't gotten far in zelda nes it would be weird if zelda suddenly focuses in that instead though I haven't played every Zelda game just Ocarina of time stuck in water temple , Majoras Mask, bit of Link to the past 



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Companies are not people. If Sony took a SJW stance, that doesn't mean that all people who work at Sony feel that way.



Bait thread. Bit I'll bite.

What if Sony, Nintendo and MS tried to understand the complex dynamics of a progressing society and include such in their games? Congrats.



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The number of these types of Threads in every forum is strange....

To answer the question I think we first have to realize that Video Games, just like Movies, TV, and Comic Books have always been very political. There was WWII propaganda riddled in Comic Books at the time, and it too was accused of brainwashing youth into hippie pacifist culture. The Rise of Black TV Shows like The Cosby's was vital to helping people in america see that Blacks were harmless. The rise of gay characters in all forms of media is something that has been being seeded for over 40 years.

So when looking at gaming now, strong female leads as far as the eyes can see, the reduction of the sexualization of women and the toning down of what could be considered toxic masculinity.....this was a long time coming. There is no sacred cow that cannot be touched on the path to equality for all.

So in essence, no I wouldn't necessarily stop gaming due to SJW agendas because its not something that just started nor is it something to completely shun. As long as the quality of the gameplay and storytelling is there I am fine. There are just so many great examples of great use of this "agenda".
-Nadine and Chloe in UC Lost Legacy, a bad ass Black Woman with her own goals and can defend herself. Chloe so witty and confidant.
-Ellie in The Last of Us being the tough little girl, the anti-escort mission sidekick. She's dirty, and rough, not sexualized even after she is revealed to be a lesbian
-Return of Lara Croft
-The Dragon Age series never disappoints with it's real world inspired allegory but in fantasy dressing. The Mage plight is very identifiable for this reason.
-Alloy in Horizon is so goal focused she doesn't even notice when fello characters are hitting on her. Completely not in the male gaze.
-Rockstar boldly naming GTAIV DLC "The Ballad of Gay Tony" which caught such a mixed ire on the name alone its funny. In a game where kids kill hookers and mass murder.....some parents had an issue with THIS particular DLC .

I would also note that the rise in games that push forth this kind of concept are not all that abundant. They are apart of large franchises now with large backing which gives them more presence than they really have. Majority of games still sport Hyper masculine gruff male characters. That is likely to never change. I don't think there is necessarily anything wrong with the way games were for the last 20 years, but now developers are trying something different. Are majority of gamers male because thats just who are attracted to games?....or is it because women aren't getting the representation they desire to become gamers? The Wii and Phone games market showed developers that there was untapped potential with aiming for women gamers.



      

      

      

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SpokenTruth said:
Bait thread. Bit I'll bite.

What if Sony, Nintendo and MS tried to understand the complex dynamics of a progressing society and include such in their games? Congrats.

This!^

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Actually already happening on the Sony front. I felt the end product of HZD really suffered from what I felt was some really 'woke' script writing. It made the game feel really, bizarre.