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Will BF5 Fiasco scare other companies from pushing agendas in games?

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contestgamer said:
collint0101 said:

Marvel also killed off captain America and replaced him with Bucky for a while was that part of the sjw agenda? There's a clear double standard here, whenever something involves a minority or women it's a political issue or pandering but if you do the exact same thing but make the main character a straight white guy then it's not an issue and no one bats an eye.

Thats been the norm/standard since the beginning of the country. There's no modern agenda there. The agenda is happening contrary to that, as a pushback against white people.

But why is that a bad thing? What is wrong with their being more women and minorities in film, games ect assuming that the quality remains consistent? 



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GOWTLOZ said:
DialgaMarine said:

I still fail to see how TLoU 2 is “SJW propaganda”. It’s 2 chicks that made out. Big whoop. It’s not trying to take a historical event and rewrite to be more “gender inclusive”, or toning down any form of humor or violence to avoid offending anyone who isn’t a straight white male. In fact, the whole thing looks quite brutal. Even if someone is “offended” by two girls making out, I don’t see how that somehow detracts from the fact that everything else about the game looks great. 

Ellie killing men in the trailer. No woman getting hurt by a man. But the opposite happened in the previous trailer as well, where a woman hanging by the rope gets saved and kills a ton of men, who are lead by a woman, in your modern Star Wars style.

The boy in the previous trailer is played by a male hating transgender voice actor. Look at Robin Gamin's video on this.

Druckmann blatantly saying that he had an agenda of a strong female protagonist in TLOU and giving Anita Sarkeesian an award and saying he supports her.

You can see it in Uncharted 2, one lady kicking Drake and his brother's ass together, not even getting hurt. Its a recurring theme in modern Naughty Dog games, women perfectly capable of destroying men while men never get the better of them. Which is even more weird because men are generally stronger than women in real life but SJW propaganda cannot allow for it to be portrayed. Naughty Dog is totally on the SJW hype train. I am not getting TLOU 2 for this reason, and that the melee combat looks shallow. Like their other games, but well dressed by impressive animations.

Yeah I've been noticing that theme too. It's unfortunate and it's not just ND trying to pander to this idea of strong female role models. It's showing up in TV and literature as well. Atomic blonde did a decent job of requiring the protagonist to fight in unconventional ways to overcome the male strength advantage. The problem is that most other media doesn't bother doing that and simply shows women physically overcoming men on equal footing - just mano-o-mano. 



collint0101 said:
contestgamer said:

Thats been the norm/standard since the beginning of the country. There's no modern agenda there. The agenda is happening contrary to that, as a pushback against white people.

But why is that a bad thing? What is wrong with their being more women and minorities in film, games ect assuming that the quality remains consistent? 

The problem is the motivation behind these changes. They're done with an explicit purpose empowering these groups, while at the same time any attempt to empower males, whites or straights (or god forbid a 3 for 1 cis white male combo) is shot down as being sexist, homophobic and racist. There's an unequal agenda here that is empowering minorities at the expense of other groups. We now have two classes of citizens with different social rights - minorities and cis white males (or any combo thereof). The former can practice and push an open agenda of self empowerment, the latter cannot.



contestgamer said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Ellie killing men in the trailer. No woman getting hurt by a man. But the opposite happened in the previous trailer as well, where a woman hanging by the rope gets saved and kills a ton of men, who are lead by a woman, in your modern Star Wars style.

The boy in the previous trailer is played by a male hating transgender voice actor. Look at Robin Gamin's video on this.

Druckmann blatantly saying that he had an agenda of a strong female protagonist in TLOU and giving Anita Sarkeesian an award and saying he supports her.

You can see it in Uncharted 2, one lady kicking Drake and his brother's ass together, not even getting hurt. Its a recurring theme in modern Naughty Dog games, women perfectly capable of destroying men while men never get the better of them. Which is even more weird because men are generally stronger than women in real life but SJW propaganda cannot allow for it to be portrayed. Naughty Dog is totally on the SJW hype train. I am not getting TLOU 2 for this reason, and that the melee combat looks shallow. Like their other games, but well dressed by impressive animations.

Yeah I've been noticing that theme too. It's unfortunate and it's not just ND trying to pander to this idea of strong female role models. It's showing up in TV and literature as well. Atomic blonde did a decent job of requiring the protagonist to fight in unconventional ways to overcome the male strength advantage. The problem is that most other media doesn't bother doing that and simply shows women physically overcoming men on equal footing - just mano-o-mano. 

Yep. Every depiction of man and woman fighting sees the woman kicking ass. You can see it in Ant Man and the Wasp, the Wasp kicks all the bad guys who happen to be all men and Ghost kicks Ant Man's ass, and in a scene she hunts him down like the alien hunts down the protagonist in Aliens: Isolation. What it really does though is make the protagonist look like a wimp, and nobody likes a wimpy protagonist, not even women.

If you can't show women getting beaten up by men, don't portray a fight between the genders at all. I like the way Infinity War went with it, in the war scene the women were fighting women and men were fighting men. That's the way to do it, if you're afraid of media backlash which we know will happen if there is a man beating up a woman.



Aeolus451 said:
collint0101 said:

But there is something self righteous about getting your panties in a twist every time someone mentions women or minorities. Battlefield is a bad example because ea went about handling the controversy in the worst way possible alongside simply being a scummy company all together but that same excuse doesn't apply to people complaining about Ellie being gay in tLoU or people complaining about miles Morales being in the new Spiderman game. Complaining about there being too many minorites a game is just as annoying and whiny as complaining about there not being enough. 

No one cares about whamen and minorities in video games. People don't want their fav IP being hijacked by sjws and turned into some propaganda film or game. They also don't want something to be hamfisted about politics. It's that simple. Take that Ghostbusters film for example. It was hijacked and changed to fit a political agenda. Filmmakers gloat/virtue signal on twitter and in interviews about changing it to suit their political agenda then fans get mad about it and complains to filmmakers.  Filmmakers mischaracterize the valid complaints about the IP being changed to suit a political agenda into "we hate whamen". Fans get madder. Film does poorly. 

I agree with this, Ghostbusters got hated on because it's forced diversity, the film makers did it just to show how diverse they are rather than focusing on making the best/funniest Ghostbusters movie they could.

If someone like Melissa McCarthy or Kristen Wiig auditioned for the role and they were funnier than any of the men who auditioned and got hired for that reason I dont think there would have been a fraction of the backlash.

It shouldn't matter what gender, race or sexual orientation someone has, if they are the best for the role than they should get it.



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contestgamer said:
collint0101 said:

But why is that a bad thing? What is wrong with their being more women and minorities in film, games ect assuming that the quality remains consistent? 

The problem is the motivation behind these changes. They're done with an explicit purpose empowering these groups, while at the same time any attempt to empower males, whites or straights (or god forbid a 3 for 1 cis white male combo) is shot down as being sexist, homophobic and racist. There's an unequal agenda here that is empowering minorities at the expense of other groups. We now have two classes of citizens with different social rights - minorities and cis white males (or any combo thereof). The former can practice and push an open agenda of self empowerment, the latter cannot.

Why would a group that's in power already need further empowerment? Look at most of the big movies of this year venom, mission impossible, Deadpool, infinity war, Jurassic world, Incredibles 2. Now look at the big games, red dead, Spiderman, god of war what further empowerment do you need? There's a push to have more minority groups in media because there was a lack of previously and thats become even more noticeable as the population as a whole becomes more diverse. There's no such thing as straight pride because there was never a time where being straight was look down upon or underrepresented. You arguing that no one is trying to empower straight white men is like arguing that wanting more RPGs or platformers is anti open world or fps. People are simply asking for more of what we have little of not trying to completely get rid of what we already have. 



collint0101 said:
contestgamer said:

The problem is the motivation behind these changes. They're done with an explicit purpose empowering these groups, while at the same time any attempt to empower males, whites or straights (or god forbid a 3 for 1 cis white male combo) is shot down as being sexist, homophobic and racist. There's an unequal agenda here that is empowering minorities at the expense of other groups. We now have two classes of citizens with different social rights - minorities and cis white males (or any combo thereof). The former can practice and push an open agenda of self empowerment, the latter cannot.

Why would a group that's in power already need further empowerment? Look at most of the big movies of this year venom, mission impossible, Deadpool, infinity war, Jurassic world, Incredibles 2. Now look at the big games, red dead, Spiderman, god of war what further empowerment do you need? There's a push to have more minority groups in media because there was a lack of previously and thats become even more noticeable as the population as a whole becomes more diverse. There's no such thing as straight pride because there was never a time where being straight was look down upon or underrepresented. You arguing that no one is trying to empower straight white men is like arguing that wanting more RPGs or platformers is anti open world or fps. People are simply asking for more of what we have little of not trying to completely get rid of what we already have. 

That's not what I'm arguing. What I'm arguing that when someone DOES try to empower straight, white men they are shot down as racist, sexist or homophobic. They are not allowed to either empower themselves, or each other as a group the way minorities can. A white director/producer that openly said they want to cast more white people would literally be blacklisted in Hollywood. The problem isn't the lack of people that want to represent themselves among what you might fall majority populations (although men are a slight minority actually) - it's the fact that the ones who do are oppressed and branded social pariahs.



I fail to see how how Battlefield V is part of a so called SJW agenda.

Regardless I won't be buying it, my primary reason being the recent DICE shooters (BF1 and Battlefront 2) had some rather awkward gameplay design choices that had a detrimental effect on matches and the user interface was extremely frustrating. Knowing EA they wont care and these issues won't have been addressed.



collint0101 said:
contestgamer said:

The problem is the motivation behind these changes. They're done with an explicit purpose empowering these groups, while at the same time any attempt to empower males, whites or straights (or god forbid a 3 for 1 cis white male combo) is shot down as being sexist, homophobic and racist. There's an unequal agenda here that is empowering minorities at the expense of other groups. We now have two classes of citizens with different social rights - minorities and cis white males (or any combo thereof). The former can practice and push an open agenda of self empowerment, the latter cannot.

Why would a group that's in power already need further empowerment? Look at most of the big movies of this year venom, mission impossible, Deadpool, infinity war, Jurassic world, Incredibles 2. Now look at the big games, red dead, Spiderman, god of war what further empowerment do you need? There's a push to have more minority groups in media because there was a lack of previously and thats become even more noticeable as the population as a whole becomes more diverse. There's no such thing as straight pride because there was never a time where being straight was look down upon or underrepresented. You arguing that no one is trying to empower straight white men is like arguing that wanting more RPGs or platformers is anti open world or fps. People are simply asking for more of what we have little of not trying to completely get rid of what we already have. 

That's a good way of putting it, when people ask "why isn't there a white history month or a straight pride parade or meninist movement?" Well it's simply because straight white men have never been oppressed for being straight white men.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
collint0101 said:

Why would a group that's in power already need further empowerment? Look at most of the big movies of this year venom, mission impossible, Deadpool, infinity war, Jurassic world, Incredibles 2. Now look at the big games, red dead, Spiderman, god of war what further empowerment do you need? There's a push to have more minority groups in media because there was a lack of previously and thats become even more noticeable as the population as a whole becomes more diverse. There's no such thing as straight pride because there was never a time where being straight was look down upon or underrepresented. You arguing that no one is trying to empower straight white men is like arguing that wanting more RPGs or platformers is anti open world or fps. People are simply asking for more of what we have little of not trying to completely get rid of what we already have. 

That's a good way of putting it, when people ask "why isn't there a white history month or a straight pride parade or meninist movement?" Well it's simply because straight white men have never been oppressed for being straight white men.

Except they are. Right now in the present day.