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Snoopy said:

Yes, but how many of those planets have resources that can sustain life? Not many and not to mention there has to be life itself as well. I never said there isn't alien life, but it didn't just appear by chance which is the point you are missing. Also, each solar system is like one lotto ticket for a separate game since each one is completely different and has it own rules so to speak in some regards. 

The bottom line:  You can't actually believe the universe without a consciousness can create everything we have today by chance. Most of the things we enjoy today (technology, buildings/infastructue,most of our food/resource, etc) were made by someone with consciousness. Earth itself is much more complex and advanced than all of the items I mentioned. There is no way it could be created by chance.

Stellar and planetary evolution doesn't operate on chance. The only chance-esque thing in the entire Universe operates on a subatomic level in the field of quantum mechanics which is a novel field with a plethora of open questions.

What you're saying is about as asinine as suggesting that water was assembled by chance rather than the laws of chemistry.

Your understanding, or rather lack thereof, while espousing certitude is quite off-putting and you would do well to educate yourself on the basic mechanics of the Universe rather than reading mythology.



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OhNoYouDont said:
Snoopy said:

Yes, but how many of those planets have resources that can sustain life? Not many and not to mention there has to be life itself as well. I never said there isn't alien life, but it didn't just appear by chance which is the point you are missing. Also, each solar system is like one lotto ticket for a separate game since each one is completely different and has it own rules so to speak in some regards. 

The bottom line:  You can't actually believe the universe without a consciousness can create everything we have today by chance. Most of the things we enjoy today (technology, buildings/infastructue,most of our food/resource, etc) were made by someone with consciousness. Earth itself is much more complex and advanced than all of the items I mentioned. There is no way it could be created by chance.

Stellar and planetary evolution doesn't operate on chance. The only chance-esque thing in the entire Universe operates on a subatomic level in the field of quantum mechanics which is a novel field with a plethora of open questions.

What you're saying is about as asinine as suggesting that water was assembled by chance rather than the laws of chemistry.

Your understanding, or rather lack thereof, while espousing certitude is quite off-putting and you would do well to educate yourself on the basic mechanics of the Universe rather than reading mythology.

Basically what you are telling me is nothing created nothing and nothing became something because of nothing. Got it.



Snoopy said:
OhNoYouDont said:

Stellar and planetary evolution doesn't operate on chance. The only chance-esque thing in the entire Universe operates on a subatomic level in the field of quantum mechanics which is a novel field with a plethora of open questions.

What you're saying is about as asinine as suggesting that water was assembled by chance rather than the laws of chemistry.

Your understanding, or rather lack thereof, while espousing certitude is quite off-putting and you would do well to educate yourself on the basic mechanics of the Universe rather than reading mythology.

Basically what you are telling me is nothing created nothing and nothing became something because of nothing. Got it.

At no point did I say anything remotely close to that. Are you simple?



Snoopy said:

I'm not religious (agnostic), but I do believe in God. If I asked someone in the scientific community if I should play the lottery, they will tell me that would be a stupid move. However, the way the universe is created according to some scientific theories that will be like playing the lottery at least a million times over and winning it all in a row. It's crazy that some people think that everything came from nothing. In order for something to be created, it either has to be 1. The object has the potential to be something such as water turning into ice or 2.Needs to be created by something or someone.

Science doesn't claim that everything came from nothing. So that is your first mistake.
We can only go as far back as what the evidence can tell us... And that is depicted in the CMB or Cosmic Microwave Background. (Which is more than any religious book has told us about the Universes creation.)

As for the God and your "lottery" fallacy... There are 4,200 Religions in this world, there are thousands of Gods on top of that.
Are you sure you are believing in the correct one? You are literally playing a lottery picking and choosing.

The difference with Atheism is that we don't believe in any of it, not until those religious claims can be substantiated with empirical evidence.

Snoopy said:

Even if all the material is there, doesn't mean something will be created by itself. It's also hard to imagine to have all the things we got by chance just cause one reaction occurring after another and nothing going wrong. Also, your lottery interpretation is way off. The odds are more like a 1 in a hundred trillion. Each solar system is a separate lottery competition and that's probably an understatement.

Abiogensis isn't describing life "coming about by chance". - It's actually demonstrable, lots of experiments have been done to that end.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment#Recent_related_studies

What your belief is... Is ultimately irrelevant to what the truth is.

Shaqazooloo0 said:

I believe in God for my own reasons and i'm not gonna change, I don't expect an atheist to change their mind and think that my believe in God is justified, because it's simply something we can't prove. At least not yet anyway...

Are you suggesting that after 40,000-80,000 years of civilization (Aboriginals in Australia), with the modern human coming about 200,000 years ago... That we might finally stumble on some sort of Evidence for God? After settling every major landmass on this planet, exploring space... We might just finally do it?

SpokenTruth said:

And yes, it did require a lot of things to go right.  So imagine how many planets started and failed to create or sustain life.  Earth isn't unique.  There are literally trillions of planets with Earth-like characteristics in the universe.  And you don't even completely need Earth-like characteristics for life to happen.  As I mentioned, we are more likely to find life that thrives in an icy environment than something like Earth.

Correct. You don't need Earth-like characteristics for life itself to happen, but you do need an Earth-like planet for Earth-like life.

Heck, non-carbon based life could also be a possibility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_biochemistry#Arsenic_as_an_alternative_to_phosphorus

Malt4zar said:
God is no more than a dictator, if real.

Depends on the God you prescribe to of course.
The Abrahamic God found in the Quran, Bible and Torah tends to be a brutal, inhumane, monster that demands obedience.

Snoopy said:

Yes, but how many of those planets have resources that can sustain life? Not many and not to mention there has to be life itself as well.

The correct answer is actually: We don't know.

Snoopy said:

Earth itself is much more complex and advanced than all of the items I mentioned. There is no way it could be created by chance.

No one is saying it was created by chance.

Snoopy said:

Basically what you are telling me is nothing created nothing and nothing became something because of nothing. Got it.

Science/Atheists aren't saying it at all.
Usually when Theists cannot comprehend the scientific position... They fall back to this argument.

The fact is... We don't know. It's okay to say "We don't know". - But just because we don't know, doesn't mean God did it... Because there is no evidence for that either.

But one thing is for sure... Science is working to find out the truth, Religion is not.


OhNoYouDont said:

At no point did I say anything remotely close to that. Are you simple?

Please keep such retorts respectful if possible.




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SpokenTruth said:

They do so because of the political impact that religion, especially from evangelicals, has upon our country. 

This discussion is probably going to end up being off topic but here it goes ...

Most republics in the world have no chance at truly becoming a secular state in the near future unless you're China who's already there due reasons like their many modern revolutions however, it's an example not without it's host of flaws and violent ones at that. It is simply near impossible for religious institutions to not have a distorting effect on many levels of the nation's governance one way or another when your representative's values/beliefs/systems will reflect that of the many religious inhabitants living on that sovereign territory ... 



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JWeinCom said:
HollyGamer said:

Then tell me ( i bet you will not able to answer) why the law act like that , why the law of physicist are work the way they now. The atoms is don't have mind  and even in the molecular and atomic level it's different then the physicist in the planetary level. 

Of course, I can't answer that. And neither can you.  You can claim to have an answer, but a claim requires justification, which I'm sure you won't be able to provide.

Then by  " LOGIC " you refuse to accept that something cannot exist without a "Cause ". Because everything in "reality " that is exist are because of something happen. If your self by your own believe dont believe with and entity that is Creator or the one who ignite or created or made it , then your self refuse. 

It not a matter of who can answer or who cannot answer is just a "Logic " of something that is exist need to be by a cause. 



Snoopy said:

Yes, but how many of those planets have resources that can sustain life? Not many

Did your god tell you that? Certainly it wasn't your science teacher.

I'm trying to get out of discussions with flat earthers/creatonists/etc but everything I read here boils down to the same old fruitless "I don't understand it hence it must be god".



drkohler said:
Snoopy said:

Yes, but how many of those planets have resources that can sustain life? Not many

Did your god tell you that? Certainly it wasn't your science teacher.

I'm trying to get out of discussions with flat earthers/creatonists/etc but everything I read here boils down to the same old fruitless "I don't understand it hence it must be god".

Then tell me your " science " , can the science answer all . Even in front of the nature science cannot do anything. 



HollyGamer said:
JWeinCom said:

Of course, I can't answer that. And neither can you.  You can claim to have an answer, but a claim requires justification, which I'm sure you won't be able to provide.

Then by  " LOGIC " you refuse to accept that something cannot exist without a "Cause ". Because everything in "reality " that is exist are because of something happen. If your self by your own believe dont believe with and entity that is Creator or the one who ignite or created or made it , then your self refuse. 

It not a matter of who can answer or who cannot answer is just a "Logic " of something that is exist need to be by a cause. 

But that irrefutable logic gets to be thrown out when it comes to that cause itself when you say it's a Creator. That's why this argument seems so disingenuous is you say that obviously since everything we've ever seen happen had a cause that the universe itself must have had a cause and that cause is a god who for some reason doesn't need to have a cause even though we just went over how everything had to have a cause. For those who are more scientifically inclined it just doesn't make any sense to forego all logic the second it pertains to this cause you want to claim the universe had to have. 



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HollyGamer said:
drkohler said:

Did your god tell you that? Certainly it wasn't your science teacher.

I'm trying to get out of discussions with flat earthers/creatonists/etc but everything I read here boils down to the same old fruitless "I don't understand it hence it must be god".

Then tell me your " science " , can the science answer all . Even in front of the nature science cannot do anything. 

Science isn't meant to do anything.
Science does not care about yours or anyone elses beliefs, science doesn't even care about your religion or God/s.

Just remember... The scientific method has given us everything in the modern world.. From the paper that your religious texts are written on, to the pen that is used to write those words... To the modern medicines that save peoples lives... And even the ability to explore the Solar System.

All Science is doing is finding out the truth of the natural world, it doesn't have an answer for everything, it never has pretended to have an answer for everything.

But what we can with 100% certainty say though is that Science is trying to find the answers to all those questions via research, tests, functioning models and so-forth. - Whilst religion stays stagnant and the common reply to something the religious don't understand (I.E. Creation) is "God did it" without any factual evidence to backup those assertions.

So no. Science doesn't answer every question, it never pretended to. - It is actually okay to say "I don't know".
But it is working to find the answers.




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