| Snoopy said: I'm not religious (agnostic), but I do believe in God. If I asked someone in the scientific community if I should play the lottery, they will tell me that would be a stupid move. However, the way the universe is created according to some scientific theories that will be like playing the lottery at least a million times over and winning it all in a row. It's crazy that some people think that everything came from nothing. In order for something to be created, it either has to be 1. The object has the potential to be something such as water turning into ice or 2.Needs to be created by something or someone. |
Science doesn't claim that everything came from nothing. So that is your first mistake.
We can only go as far back as what the evidence can tell us... And that is depicted in the CMB or Cosmic Microwave Background. (Which is more than any religious book has told us about the Universes creation.)
As for the God and your "lottery" fallacy... There are 4,200 Religions in this world, there are thousands of Gods on top of that.
Are you sure you are believing in the correct one? You are literally playing a lottery picking and choosing.
The difference with Atheism is that we don't believe in any of it, not until those religious claims can be substantiated with empirical evidence.
| Snoopy said: Even if all the material is there, doesn't mean something will be created by itself. It's also hard to imagine to have all the things we got by chance just cause one reaction occurring after another and nothing going wrong. Also, your lottery interpretation is way off. The odds are more like a 1 in a hundred trillion. Each solar system is a separate lottery competition and that's probably an understatement. |
Abiogensis isn't describing life "coming about by chance". - It's actually demonstrable, lots of experiments have been done to that end.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment#Recent_related_studies
What your belief is... Is ultimately irrelevant to what the truth is.
| Shaqazooloo0 said: I believe in God for my own reasons and i'm not gonna change, I don't expect an atheist to change their mind and think that my believe in God is justified, because it's simply something we can't prove. At least not yet anyway... |
Are you suggesting that after 40,000-80,000 years of civilization (Aboriginals in Australia), with the modern human coming about 200,000 years ago... That we might finally stumble on some sort of Evidence for God? After settling every major landmass on this planet, exploring space... We might just finally do it?
| SpokenTruth said: And yes, it did require a lot of things to go right. So imagine how many planets started and failed to create or sustain life. Earth isn't unique. There are literally trillions of planets with Earth-like characteristics in the universe. And you don't even completely need Earth-like characteristics for life to happen. As I mentioned, we are more likely to find life that thrives in an icy environment than something like Earth. |
Correct. You don't need Earth-like characteristics for life itself to happen, but you do need an Earth-like planet for Earth-like life.
Heck, non-carbon based life could also be a possibility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_biochemistry#Arsenic_as_an_alternative_to_phosphorus
| Malt4zar said: God is no more than a dictator, if real. |
Depends on the God you prescribe to of course.
The Abrahamic God found in the Quran, Bible and Torah tends to be a brutal, inhumane, monster that demands obedience.
| Snoopy said: Yes, but how many of those planets have resources that can sustain life? Not many and not to mention there has to be life itself as well. |
The correct answer is actually: We don't know.
| Snoopy said: Earth itself is much more complex and advanced than all of the items I mentioned. There is no way it could be created by chance. |
No one is saying it was created by chance.
| Snoopy said: Basically what you are telling me is nothing created nothing and nothing became something because of nothing. Got it. |
Science/Atheists aren't saying it at all.
Usually when Theists cannot comprehend the scientific position... They fall back to this argument.
The fact is... We don't know. It's okay to say "We don't know". - But just because we don't know, doesn't mean God did it... Because there is no evidence for that either.
But one thing is for sure... Science is working to find out the truth, Religion is not.
| OhNoYouDont said: At no point did I say anything remotely close to that. Are you simple? |
Please keep such retorts respectful if possible.
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