This was the 80s during the crash mate the was no market by the time Sony came along a market had been established they expanded on the market, something can't be a flop if its the most successful that has ever been at that point that logic has no ground it's like saying every game in the 90s and 80s is a flop because COD now outsells them today.

Gaming crash of the 80s the western markets crashed it's how Nintendo usurped Atari and the old guard stop playing coy.

There is something magical about it. My toddler is only 19 months old and he sits completely still watching Mario Odyssey as I play it on the big TV. Mario was a system seller, especially in the 80's and 90's. The platforming genre which Mario itself invented was the craze then. It had to be Mario without Mario there might have been a Nintendo today.

Western market crashed mate the NES got things back in order that 8m was not a flop like you want to paint it it was a massive success as those numbers were never reached before in Europe you're using logic flawed on a number of levels here EU compared to US was not even a blip back in those days before NES came into play then it was shown the was a viable market there. A flop is not a product that is the most successful of its era otherwise under your logic any game that hasn't sold as much as Wii Sports and GTAV are flops.

Much like you can talk make believe about flops that never were as well.

In Ka-pis defense Europe (well western europe at least) was Comodore, Amstrad, Sinclair and atari home computer land in the 80ies. Ataris home console crash never really affected europe since the 2600 wasn’t that big of a thing here. So he’s right that the home console crash was mainly a US thing.

And compared to home computers like C64 the NES was fighting an uphill battle.

Home computers aren't strictly gaming platforms (a fair amount were used in schools and such) that's the thing each one isn't purchased for gaming as per say like consoles as a number are purchased for non gaming tasks plus those sold in the region of 3-5m which if NES' 8m is a flop then under the same logic makes those far more of a flop or non existent can't have it both ways as either way NES was the most successful platform at the time compared to all those before it which defeats the notion of it flopping as it outsold all other platforms quite handily.