All I'm reading in this thread is about higher cost for the government. Let's assume for a moment the US is not able to have a long term plan for UHC that's cheaper than the current system. So it's gonna be a bit more expensive. Wouldn't it be alright to increase the cost of a system if that means overall higher coverage?

Ideological opposition to empirical evidence reflects poorly on Conservatism. It's sad that West Korean Conservatives reject a proven cost-effective system of superior care in favor of a high-priced inferior service, but it is positively hilarious that they are too proud of their Socialized military to advocate a privatized army. Surely the Free Market would produce a more capable, more robust armed forces than the freedom-crushing tax dollar. No? Didn't think so.

Extended welfare systems and open borders to third world countries don't work in combination - Europe is learning the hard way.

From what I read, even if we doubled the corporate and personal tax rate, we still wouldn't be able to cover the Bernie plan. I'm just not sure how we afford any of this without driving the wealthy out of America.

Ka-pi96 said: It always make me laugh how against healthcare Americans are. I can't help but wonder if it's just a stubbornness thing, like they just aren't willing to admit that other countries do something better than them

The thing is, Americans do not think about healthcare until they need to use it.  The mentality for the young is why should I pay into this system when I am healthy.  They never look at the worst case scenario where they could get injured and find themselves paying huge medical cost or come down with Diabetes, Crohn's disease or some other life altering medical issue.  They never think they could be fired or laid off from a job and suddenly find themselves without health insurance hoping nothing goes wrong while they are between jobs.

In America, Healthcare is a huge business and the profit margins are off the charts.  This is one main reason why the people who stand to make the most money will definitely make sure nothing comes into play that could regulate it.

It's not a bit more expensive. Blahous mentioned in this report that it would cost the government at least 32 trillion extra and it would cost at least 6 trillion more overall. He said those are low ball figures and they are likely higher. No especially since it would stifle our advancement of meds, tech and medical procedures. It wouldn't end up as a net positive for everyone. In the current system, taxes are low for everyone and anyone just pays for whatever healthcare they want with no rationing. 

Of course it is. They find trillions out of the blue for tax cuts on big corporations and yet they can't find a cent or common sense to implement a health care system that's doable.

did you find this sentence in your great book of populist bullshit?

two facts for you:

1. countries within the EU never had open borders to countries outside the EU except Swiss and Norway.

2. Refugees and immigrants do not get automatic access to our UHS's. for sure they get some medical treatment if they get ill, we won't let them die, but nowhere near the same than those who pay into the system. I'm sure it's similar in the US.

When Americans hear the word universal healthcare, they think socialism. Socialism was made and still is made out to be a very bad thing in America. Why should I pay into something everyone benefit from when I can pay into my own. Of course this mindset is gear into believing that you will never find yourself in a situation where you do not have insurance, come down with serious injuries, lose your job etc. Republicans has always lobbied against safety nets type of social services because they help out the poor and as Americans we cannot have that. So yes, you will see arguments talking about how great our healthcare system is but forget that its get for the wealthy. They will not know how much their insurance will cover when they encounter a serious injury, disease or life altering medical condition until they are in the hospital and their insurance company turns down a procedure because its too expensive.

The thing is, Healthcare is such a big margin high profit business in the US, I am not sure if the US will ever have such a system. Money is what moves Americans and right now Healthcare is big money.