Forza will never reach the popularity of Gran Turismo simply because it doesn't have the history GT does, even if current GT games are a shell of their former selves. Games can sell a lot based on name alone. But I would love to see the Horizon games on PS4, they'd kill it.

Yeah, that's what a rereview implies, reviewing a game when its complete like we're seeing recently with No Man's Sky Next. No, FM5's post release content was all paid and not part of the base game like GT Sport's updates.

GT Sport has better driving physics, its not an arcadey game so crashing isn't supposed to happen in the first place. But ina way yes, that is a drawback of GT Sport but overall the physics are better than Forza Motorsport 7. It doesn't matter if GT Sport is the only GT game with better sounds than Forza Motorsport, bad sounds in past games shouldn't deduct scores in the new game. Turn 10 made it "fun" by exaggerating sounds to high heavens? I call bullshit on that. It doesn't make it sound "fun", not to car enthusiasts but to the casuals who play Need For Speed. No matter what quality of simulation is achieved, developers should strive to do better. Forza's sounds are regressive in the current situation, where they used to be industry leading in the days of Forza Motorsport 3.

Also, the driver and sportsmanship ratings. The penalty systems. Sport mode. Most reviews completely missed the point of its online focus and barely talked on this stuff but it was harder to judge at release. Now its apparent, for both Forza Motorsport 7 and GT Sport where their online lies, and scores should be deducted from Forza for allowing high speed rammings, not ghosting players who are lapped and not fixing it where it has negatively affected players' enjoyment of online, while also lacking a good matchmaking system like literally every other multiplayer game so in Forza 7 you'll have a bunch of noobs and rammers in the same race as pros. These are things GT Sport has largely fixed and its surprising to me to what extent it makes the game better, to where now I really enjoy playing GT Sport online and I'm not a multiplayer guy.

GT Sport also added a fully featured campaign mode in December. I bought the game this year so I wouldn't know how lacking the game was without it, but certainly all those reviews at release would drastically change their tones as they complained of the lack of a campaign. Its also got better since it was introduced with new races added to it through multiple updates.

Averages can be just as wrong as a single score.

For me GoW wasn't overrated, but a lot of people would probably think so, so what?

If the reviewers of GoW have good expertise for GoW and bad for GT then their GoW review is valid and their GT not, and that isn't because of the score, it's because of their understanding of the genre they are reviewing. The review from publications that are specialized in racing and/or car simulation were much much much better (and with valid criticism) than the generic magazines and most gave a good score.

If MS after 3 generations, 7 games and like 15 years couldn't make driving games and its franchise popular on its platform, something Sony made on its first try, then that is a different problem.

The soul of PD or in more case Kaz Yamauchi was very burning and passionate about the project and he is well know since releasing GT1, on this note Turn 10 doesn't have a real image.

Sorry Azz already told you, majority having an opinion doesn't make it right or valid, it isn't a dictatorship of the majority. Most of the planet would think Einstein was crazy and wrong, basically only himself knew he was right, so the majority being against made they right?

Forza also doesnt have to be more popular. I would still place my bet that FM7 would outsell GTS due to it being judged a better driving game if it released on PS4.

GTS does not have better physics than Forza 7, it has different physics to FM7, thats the big difference gamers need to understand. Forza is far from a broken game and offers great physics for what its trying to achieve and thats the direction Turn 10 chose to go for. PD chose to go more simulator which we can claim is more focused on however that does not mean GTS should be rated better than FM7 and FM7 doesnt need points deducted because they opted for a different blend of physics either. Exact same thing applies to the sound, its a dev choice not a criticism. Apparently many gamers enjoy those directions Turn 10 opted for hence the higher reviews.

Now for GTS opting to go more simulator than arcade, does it do it better than Project Cars 2? A game focused on more simulator? Same goes with the sound? From what majority say, PC2 does the best simulator phyics and aims for the most realistic sounds. Plus the visuals are the best based on many. So does GTS score higher than PC2 with less content, less features, sim phyics arent as good and sound is dabatable? I wouldnt say it does. The brand name doesnt change that.

Don, you cant just pick and choose what reviews deserve to be valid and ones that dont. If majority of reviewers think the same thing than its as legit as it can be. You cannot tell me that majority of GTS critics are troll reviews. They all stated the same issues.

So you are basically implying that all of us are dumbasses and you're the genius here.

Nice. 

What a leap.

What I'm saying is that doing the phallacy argument that a lot of people agree (even majority or everyone) with your point so it's true isn't really true.

So if I have let's say 200 reviewers making a review for GTS looking at it as generic racer or arcade with focus on Single Player, versus 2 looking at it as simulator focused on e-sports/competitive/multiplayer. I would say the review from the 2 is much much much more relevant than the other 200 that aren't evaluating what the game is but what they wanted it to be/to do.

What a leap.

What I'm saying is that doing the phallacy argument that a lot of people agree (even majority or everyone) with your point so it's true isn't really true.

So if I have let's say 200 reviewers making a review for GTS looking at it as generic racer or arcade with focus on Single Player, versus 2 looking at it as simulator focused on e-sports/competitive/multiplayer. I would say the review from the 2 is much much much more relevant than the other 200 that aren't evaluating what the game is but what they wanted it to be/to do.

But 99% of time it is true. Unless it's some Einstein situation. In this case though, the majority is right on the money.

And that second part: maybe apart from from one or two bad apples, no want GT to be an arcade racer. 99% of reviewers fully understand that GT is going for simulation. These reviewers know what GT is.

What the game is? It's a Gran Turismo that strips out many features of past games, and was launched all bare bones and deprived of content, effectively making it the worse GT than past titles. The reviewers hit the nail on the head with this one.

But 99% of time it is true. Unless it's some Einstein situation. In this case though, the majority is right on the money.

And that second part: maybe apart from from one or two bad apples, no want GT to be an arcade racer. 99% of reviewers fully understand that GT is going for simulation. These reviewers know what GT is.

What the game is? It's a Gran Turismo that strips out many features of past games, and was launched all bare bones and deprived of content, effectively making it the worse GT than past titles. The reviewers hit the nail on the head with this one.

No no no, these reviewers didn't understand that GT Sport is an online title, so their reviews are invalid if they critique the game for not having genre staple features such as a career mode or offline play. Only huge Gran Turismo fans who love the idea of always-online Gran Turismo should be allowed to review the title.