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CaptainExplosion said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Self awareness is not one of your strong suits, huh? 

Probably, that's not really an excuse though. Others seem to agree as well. I assumed the OP wouldn't care since this site isn't really an echo chamber, it allows for a lot of opinions and such. It's obvious I meant no offense, and he shouldn't have taken issue with the comment anyways. 

I really didn't like your tone though.

Enough about this though.

I lean more towards the idea of Inkling and Octoling breasts being for stronger ink shooting. It's like how female spiders are more venomous than males (right?).

I was just really surprised that he managed to tie in squid biology, the lore, AND actual evidence that the philosophy of the game's designers actually favored females. I'm still skeptical that the creators truly wanted to make females canonically stronger, but the way they designed the game and the lore, based on his points here, makes a pretty good case that that's exactly what they effectively did. Most of his "Is there an actual reason for a non-human character to have breasts?" videos don't amount to much in my opinion, but this one actually had a strong argument to make because it had evidence that the connection between the biology and lore was at least somewhat purposeful by the game designers.



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HylianSwordsman said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:


Probably, that's not really an excuse though. Others seem to agree as well. I assumed the OP wouldn't care since this site isn't really an echo chamber, it allows for a lot of opinions and such. It's obvious I meant no offense, and he shouldn't have taken issue with the comment anyways. 

I mean Ganon thought the creator was obnoxious, but that's not the same as being vitriolic about the very idea of discussing lore or "game theories". You didn't just insult the creator, you insulted everyone who finds his work interesting or worthwhile by calling it a stupid and declaring that "no one" asked it or wanted it. Here's an alternate way you could have phrased it that would get your disdain across without being antagonistic.

"Questions like these are just so pointless. Why do people feel the need to waste time trying to find an in-universe explanation for simple aesthetic design choices that the creators probably made thoughtlessly?"

Equally skeptical of the point of the discussion, still essentially the same opinion, would probably be equally depressing to anyone who wanted to have a serious discussion about the topic, but no one could really argue that it was rude. Other people agree with you, but they weren't rude about it. Even Ganon kept it to the personality of the creator, and could legitimately claim your earlier argument that it was just about a "content creator you have no personal stake in". 

I thought we were moving on from this.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Yeah, no I didn't. The topic creator is known for overreacting, it's his main characteristic (I mean his sig literally explains it). Trying to jump to the defense that I was greatly insulting the fanbase is just silly, honestly, because I wasn't. I don't care if someone finds something rude that wasn't intended to be rude unless I can genuinely understand and sympathize with the perspective. I can't in this scenario, ideally nobody should be offended over such a trivial comment, so I don't really care. 

By the way, Gnoggin does the same thing on Twitter: 

Nah, Gnoggin isn't insulting MatPat's fanbase, he's making a criticism that the content of his channel is unoriginal. As in his theories mostly come from reddit comments that he just does a bit more research and math for. Gnoggin goes out of his way to ask questions that no one has thought to ask yet to make what he hope to be an original game theory. I agree that a lot of them do come across as a stretch, and by asking stuff that no one else was asking, he does tend to focus on topics that few care that much about.



CaptainExplosion said:
HylianSwordsman said:

I mean Ganon thought the creator was obnoxious, but that's not the same as being vitriolic about the very idea of discussing lore or "game theories". You didn't just insult the creator, you insulted everyone who finds his work interesting or worthwhile by calling it a stupid and declaring that "no one" asked it or wanted it. Here's an alternate way you could have phrased it that would get your disdain across without being antagonistic.

"Questions like these are just so pointless. Why do people feel the need to waste time trying to find an in-universe explanation for simple aesthetic design choices that the creators probably made thoughtlessly?"

Equally skeptical of the point of the discussion, still essentially the same opinion, would probably be equally depressing to anyone who wanted to have a serious discussion about the topic, but no one could really argue that it was rude. Other people agree with you, but they weren't rude about it. Even Ganon kept it to the personality of the creator, and could legitimately claim your earlier argument that it was just about a "content creator you have no personal stake in". 

I thought we were moving on from this.

Sorry didn't see your comment. But I mean if he responds to me and I have something to respond back, I'm gonna respond back.



HylianSwordsman said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Yeah, no I didn't. The topic creator is known for overreacting, it's his main characteristic (I mean his sig literally explains it). Trying to jump to the defense that I was greatly insulting the fanbase is just silly, honestly, because I wasn't. I don't care if someone finds something rude that wasn't intended to be rude unless I can genuinely understand and sympathize with the perspective. I can't in this scenario, ideally nobody should be offended over such a trivial comment, so I don't really care. 

By the way, Gnoggin does the same thing on Twitter: 

Nah, Gnoggin isn't insulting MatPat's fanbase, he's making a criticism that the content of his channel is unoriginal. As in his theories mostly come from reddit comments that he just does a bit more research and math for. Gnoggin goes out of his way to ask questions that no one has thought to ask yet to make what he hope to be an original game theory. I agree that a lot of them do come across as a stretch, and by asking stuff that no one else was asking, he does tend to focus on topics that few care that much about.

But I didn't insult a fanbase either. You just interpreted it that way, either because you were looking for an explanation as to why CaptainExplosion got flustered and forgot to add in the addendum of "this is what he feels" rather than "this is what is fact" part of the equation, or because you share a similar sensibility and got offended at something you really shouldn't have. I can't control the latter but if it's the former that's understandable, it doesn't make it a fact that I was "insulting" the fanbase though. Believe it or not, "who gives a fuck" is not an attack on a person who does in fact give a fuck. It's just a saying, and even if it was used as a genuine question (as in, who genuinely cares) it wouldn't automatically be an offense. I will repeat what I said last time, but hopefully in clearer words: 2nd hand offense at something isn't something to be concerned about unless you can both understand and sympathize with the offense the person has interpreted. In this scenario I can understand how someone came to the conclusion that it was offensive, they might be a very sensitive person or might have interpreted it wrong, but I don't sympathize with the sentiment because there was no wrong had. 

I mean, to refer to your first reply: "I think he's mad because he wanted to have a fun discussion with people who found the video interesting, and you went a little beyond showing disinterest and said it in a way that felt like you were just taking a dump on everyone's fun."

His original post is ambiguous, sure you can infer that if someone makes a thread about something they have an interest in it, but that doesn't mean they have a burning passion for it, or that they would defend it, or even that they liked it at all. Your reasoning would make more sense if this was like a thread about it being his birthday, it's not, there's not really much of a clear sentimentality expressed in the OP, and even if someone is favorable to something I always assume that they make threads for discussion of any kind of view - as long as it pertains to the thread's topic, because that kind of seems to be the motto of VGC. 

This has happened rarely in the past before in a couple of threads, and I'm really getting tired of it. People shouldn't expect every reply to be positive or happy go lucky. It's a game theory video(edit: I feel like I have to edit this in before I get a reply of "this isn't even a game theory video" - you know I mean as in the genre of videos as a whole, not the brand) , for crying out loud, your happiness about the topic should not be dependent on other people's happiness. We all have breaking points and I can understand disliking a party pooper (there are quite a few users infamous for being such for the purposes of trolling), but if anything you dragging this out is making the thread more depressing than if say we just stopped at Captain's comments. 

HylianSwordsman said:

Sorry didn't see your comment. But I mean if he responds to me and I have something to respond back, I'm gonna respond back.

It takes two to tango, but you were the one that kept it going.

By the way, if you're going to arbitrarily separate what is "criticism" and what is "shitting on x" by usage of wording, acting like Gnoggin's tweet is a "criticism" doesn't make sense. Let's be honest, it's just a pot shot at MattPatt. It just happens to be one that's right. It isn't any more of a criticism as my comment would be. Just because he phrased it more politely doesn't mean it's more valid.



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:

But I didn't insult a fanbase either. You just interpreted it that way, either because you were looking for an explanation as to why CaptainExplosion got flustered and forgot to add in the addendum of "this is what he feels" rather than "this is what is fact" part of the equation, or because you share a similar sensibility and got offended at something you really shouldn't have. I can't control the latter but if it's the former that's understandable, it doesn't make it a fact that I was "insulting" the fanbase though. Believe it or not, "who gives a fuck" is not an attack on a person who does in fact give a fuck. It's just a saying, and even if it was used as a genuine question (as in, who genuinely cares) it wouldn't automatically be an offense. I will repeat what I said last time, but hopefully in clearer words: 2nd hand offense at something isn't something to be concerned about unless you can both understand and sympathize with the offense the person has interpreted. In this scenario I can understand how someone came to the conclusion that it was offensive, they might be a very sensitive person or might have interpreted it wrong, but I don't sympathize with the sentiment because there was no wrong had. 

I mean, to refer to your first reply: "I think he's mad because he wanted to have a fun discussion with people who found the video interesting, and you went a little beyond showing disinterest and said it in a way that felt like you were just taking a dump on everyone's fun."

His original post is ambiguous, sure you can infer that if someone makes a thread about something they have an interest in it, but that doesn't mean they have a burning passion for it, or that they would defend it, or even that they liked it at all. Your reasoning would make more sense if this was like a thread about it being his birthday, it's not, there's not really much of a clear sentimentality expressed in the OP, and even if someone is favorable to something I always assume that they make threads for discussion of any kind of view - as long as it pertains to the thread's topic, because that kind of seems to be the motto of VGC. 

This has happened rarely in the past before in a couple of threads, and I'm really getting tired of it. People shouldn't expect every reply to be positive or happy go lucky. It's a game theory video(edit: I feel like I have to edit this in before I get a reply of "this isn't even a game theory video" - you know I mean as in the genre of videos as a whole, not the brand) , for crying out loud, your happiness about the topic should not be dependent on other people's happiness. We all have breaking points and I can understand disliking a party pooper (there are quite a few users infamous for being such for the purposes of trolling), but if anything you dragging this out is making the thread more depressing than if say we just stopped at Captain's comments. 

It takes two to tango, but you were the one that kept it going.

By the way, if you're going to arbitrarily separate what is "criticism" and what is "shitting on x" by usage of wording, acting like Gnoggin's tweet is a "criticism" doesn't make sense. Let's be honest, it's just a pot shot at MattPatt. It just happens to be one that's right. It isn't any more of a criticism as my comment would be. Just because he phrased it more politely doesn't mean it's more valid.

Whatever man. I wasn't all that pissed off like he was, but you did come off rude. I know you think that's "not your problem" but that attitude is the point. None of the other "party poopers" in the thread had the attitude you did. But go ahead and keep writing novels in defense of it.



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HylianSwordsman said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:


Probably, that's not really an excuse though. Others seem to agree as well. I assumed the OP wouldn't care since this site isn't really an echo chamber, it allows for a lot of opinions and such. It's obvious I meant no offense, and he shouldn't have taken issue with the comment anyways. 

I mean Ganon thought the creator was obnoxious, but that's not the same as being vitriolic about the very idea of discussing lore or "game theories". You didn't just insult the creator, you insulted everyone who finds his work interesting or worthwhile by calling it a stupid and declaring that "no one" asked it or wanted it. Here's an alternate way you could have phrased it that would get your disdain across without being antagonistic.

"Questions like these are just so pointless. Why do people feel the need to waste time trying to find an in-universe explanation for simple aesthetic design choices that the creators probably made thoughtlessly?"

Equally skeptical of the point of the discussion, still essentially the same opinion, would probably be equally depressing to anyone who wanted to have a serious discussion about the topic, but no one could really argue that it was rude. Other people agree with you, but they weren't rude about it. Even Ganon kept it to the personality of the creator, and could legitimately claim your earlier argument that it was just about a "content creator you have no personal stake in". 

Oh yeah, sorry just seen you mentioned me here was just going to say the topic at hand is a fairly odd one, I was interested to see what direction the video was going to go in but I don't think I have seen any other videos by that creator before, I just don't like that style of video, I'm sure the way youtube is now the core elements of his video will appear in another (20) video (s) by content creators that I find more watchable.

On topic though since I didn't mention my feelings in my first post in here, I think that the Waifu market possibly had a lot to do with it, if the characters looked less anthropomorphic then the fandom would have been more limited, I think marketing definitely had a larger part to play in the addition of breasts than the species of Squid which the characters are representing.

The answer to why they have breasts is likely the same as why they wear leather... or half a pants :o

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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
It's always annoying when a video creator answers a stupid question no one asks with a stupid answer no one needs.

Who gives a fuck.

Many people like to expand upon fictive scenarios, for instance the story behind a game or movie (although all involved know it is all made up). That can be a lot of fun, if you let it happen. Your dismissal is quite offensive for someone who enjoys such speculation. I personally think it is way less annoying than people speculating if Brad Pitt is pregnant or Jessica Alba beats her husband. But that speculation is so popular, that a whole industry formed around it and got even their own name: yellow press.



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Mnementh said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
It's always annoying when a video creator answers a stupid question no one asks with a stupid answer no one needs.

Who gives a fuck.

Many people like to expand upon fictive scenarios, for instance the story behind a game or movie (although all involved know it is all made up). That can be a lot of fun, if you let it happen. Your dismissal is quite offensive for someone who enjoys such speculation. I personally think it is way less annoying than people speculating if Brad Pitt is pregnant or Jessica Alba beats her husband. But that speculation is so popular, that a whole industry formed around it and got even their own name: yellow press.

Did you miss the part where a mod literally said to get back on topic? That's the entire reason I stopped replying to Hylian - as much as I want to reply to it. The topic creator has already said he wanted to move on from it. Seriously, stop it.