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Improvements to graphics (obviously), performance, sound design, controller inputs, AI, accessibility, weapon upgrades, game modes, everything but the core shooting/melee/platforming, essentially. I would have liked to see Part 2's excellent melee system implemented, but other than that it seems substantial.



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TallSilhouette said:

Improvements to graphics (obviously), performance, sound design, controller inputs, AI, accessibility, weapon upgrades, game modes, everything but the core shooting/melee/platforming, essentially. I would have liked to see Part 2's excellent melee system implemented, but other than that it seems substantial.

You are considering there were no changes to shooting, melee, platforming changes to mechanics because they didn't show it or you were able to see evidence on the video?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

You are considering there were no changes to shooting, melee, platforming changes to mechanics because they didn't show it or you were able to see evidence on the video?

If there were substantial changes to the core mechanics, you would think they would mention or show them in that video alongside the other, less substantial changes.



TallSilhouette said:
DonFerrari said:

You are considering there were no changes to shooting, melee, platforming changes to mechanics because they didn't show it or you were able to see evidence on the video?

If there were substantial changes to the core mechanics, you would think they would mention or show them in that video alongside the other, less substantial changes.

It certainly is a fair assumption, just wanted to be sure if was something I was missing. But yes it most likely there won't be changes to those three, although AI changes will affect shooting and melee plus the removal of the situation a lot of players complained in the original that was how Ellie passed in front of enemies without a care and nothing happened.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Improving environmental physics as well as upgrading partner/enemy AI, with Dualsense features and extensive accessibility options being added, leveraged with the hardware of the PS5, it may not be as much as people wanted, but my opinion has shifted a bit when it comes to the promise of modernized gameplay.



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PotentHerbs said:

Improving environmental physics as well as upgrading partner/enemy AI, with Dualsense features and extensive accessibility options being added, leveraged with the hardware of the PS5, it may not be as much as people wanted, but my opinion has shifted a bit when it comes to the promise of modernized gameplay.

And if they overhauled the gunplay/meele/platforming it is quite probable that people would complain that they changed the core of the game. So seems like they modernized the gameplay while keeping the essence. Some will like, others won't, and plenty won't want to pay full price which is fair.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

And if they overhauled the gunplay/meele/platforming it is quite probable that people would complain that they changed the core of the game. So seems like they modernized the gameplay while keeping the essence. Some will like, others won't, and plenty won't want to pay full price which is fair.

People would complain about the $70 price point because they didn't include multiplayer lol. 

The majority of us who post in these forums may not like it, or even deem it necessary, but with the HBO adaptation and the PC port down the road, this is a great way for people to experience The Last of Us for the first time. 



PotentHerbs said:
DonFerrari said:

And if they overhauled the gunplay/meele/platforming it is quite probable that people would complain that they changed the core of the game. So seems like they modernized the gameplay while keeping the essence. Some will like, others won't, and plenty won't want to pay full price which is fair.

People would complain about the $70 price point because they didn't include multiplayer lol. 

The majority of us who post in these forums may not like it, or even deem it necessary, but with the HBO adaptation and the PC port down the road, this is a great way for people to experience The Last of Us for the first time. 

I agree with you. On one of the news someone was complaining neither TLOUR or TLOU2 are full game because the MP is a separate game.

I sure would like the game to tank at release for the price to drop faster, but most likely it will do fine even with this price for the reasons you gave.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Demon's Souls Remake was 70 bucks and it had virtually no gameplay changes (There was some smoother animation making it FEEL nicer when in reality the actual gameplay remained unchanged) and that game got a 92 on metacritic and reportedly sold well.

The Last of Us is an even more critically hailed title with even better sales. It'll do fine. Y'all don't need to argue about what you do and don't feel is fair. games are a luxury. companies are gonna charge whatever they think they can. Period. Much as I hate it, that's the core concept of capitalism. Getting angry about companies charging too much isn't gonna make them change their mind (With few exceptions). Not buying it will, though. They say speak with your wallet. That's really the last word that needs to be said on the matter.

I, for instance, find it absolutely moronic that Atlus is charging full price for Persona 5 on PS5. I think it's a stupid business decision because not many people will buy it. But I'm not angry about it. They're just a game company testing to see what they can charge. just like when they rereleased Persona 5 Royal. That should have been DLC and everyone knows it. I only got it when it was cheap (like I think 20 bucks?). Getting angry about it makes us all look childish, petty, and entitled.

We shouldn't be acting like every bad business decision is in some way unethical and in need of punishment. Ethics don't really exist when it comes to pricing luxury items like videogames. IT's not essential, so they charge what they want and you get to decide whether you think it's worth it or not. Simple. their job is to make money, your role as consumer is to make that personal decision on whether you think it's worth it. Trying to turn it into some 'this company is greedy/evil because they're charging something I don't feel is worth it' just makes a lot of gamers look like entitled brats.

And keep in mind I don't even LIKE The Last of Us. I'm not trying to defend naughty dog or pretend The Last of Us transcends ethics in the industry or something. I actively dislike the game. My point is that it's incredibly exhausting to see people overreacting to everything because gamers on the whole lack perspective and don't know how to respond accordingly.

And yes, I know I was once just as bad. It's called growing up.

Gaming is my favourite hobby/medium by a wide margin. But you know what? there's a reason I hardly ever play online games. Way too many gamers are toxic and terrible people I just don't want to play with. Oddly enough, the souls community is one of the only gaming groups I haven't come to despise being around. They are one of the most wholesome, pleasant, helpful groups I've ever seen despite the reputation some of them get for the 'git gud' meme. The rest of the gaming medium? Immature brats for the most part. Folks with no filter and no perspective. Not all, of course, but enough to really paint the community as a whole in a pretty venomous manner.



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Runa216 said:

Demon's Souls Remake was 70 bucks and it had virtually no gameplay changes (There was some smoother animation making it FEEL nicer when in reality the actual gameplay remained unchanged) and that game got a 92 on metacritic and reportedly sold well.

The Last of Us is an even more critically hailed title with even better sales. It'll do fine. Y'all don't need to argue about what you do and don't feel is fair. games are a luxury. companies are gonna charge whatever they think they can. Period. Much as I hate it, that's the core concept of capitalism. Getting angry about companies charging too much isn't gonna make them change their mind (With few exceptions). Not buying it will, though. They say speak with your wallet. That's really the last word that needs to be said on the matter.

I, for instance, find it absolutely moronic that Atlus is charging full price for Persona 5 on PS5. I think it's a stupid business decision because not many people will buy it. But I'm not angry about it. They're just a game company testing to see what they can charge. just like when they rereleased Persona 5 Royal. That should have been DLC and everyone knows it. I only got it when it was cheap (like I think 20 bucks?). Getting angry about it makes us all look childish, petty, and entitled.

We shouldn't be acting like every bad business decision is in some way unethical and in need of punishment. Ethics don't really exist when it comes to pricing luxury items like videogames. IT's not essential, so they charge what they want and you get to decide whether you think it's worth it or not. Simple. their job is to make money, your role as consumer is to make that personal decision on whether you think it's worth it. Trying to turn it into some 'this company is greedy/evil because they're charging something I don't feel is worth it' just makes a lot of gamers look like entitled brats.

And keep in mind I don't even LIKE The Last of Us. I'm not trying to defend naughty dog or pretend The Last of Us transcends ethics in the industry or something. I actively dislike the game. My point is that it's incredibly exhausting to see people overreacting to everything because gamers on the whole lack perspective and don't know how to respond accordingly.

And yes, I know I was once just as bad. It's called growing up.

Gaming is my favourite hobby/medium by a wide margin. But you know what? there's a reason I hardly ever play online games. Way too many gamers are toxic and terrible people I just don't want to play with. Oddly enough, the souls community is one of the only gaming groups I haven't come to despise being around. They are one of the most wholesome, pleasant, helpful groups I've ever seen despite the reputation some of them get for the 'git gud' meme. The rest of the gaming medium? Immature brats for the most part. Folks with no filter and no perspective. Not all, of course, but enough to really paint the community as a whole in a pretty venomous manner.

I say that the only advantage Demons have over TLOU in comparison is that the performance really needed the improvement and the graphics were really upped a lot, compared to TLOU that the remaster was already on a good enough quality. But yes your point certainly stand.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."