The_Yoda said:
@ the bolded you seem to be saying that him following in the footsteps of one of your earlier lines of argument is wrong ... then again you also think people only buy guns to kill people so the fact guns outnumber citizens 101 to 100 would seem to indicate your emotions may be impairing your logic (I really lost most respect for your logic when you sent that line out) otherwise the US gun owners would have already murdered us to the last man.
If I'm missing something in your intent here please point it out.
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I don't mind this part of the argument but we are straying from the main topic which in and of itself is a complicated mess judging by the severe dichotomies in opinions expressed in this thread.
However let me answer your statement. If you are going to question my logic you must be sure to not stray from it yourself. I NEVER said that people buy guns ONLY to kill. That line is an ABUSE of logic itself because with that type of reasoning, nothing is lethal or bad or evil. Let's take Hitler one of the biggest monsters in history. He killed Jews but he did NOT ONLY do that as he did lots of other stuff, so would you surmise that Hitler killing Jews is not bad? This is only a test of logic, I don't mean to argue history or your opinions on WW2.
As for my emotions they are not impairing anything. Guns kill and that's a fact. You don't buy a gun cause it's a toy or cause it allows you to call someone like a phone does or cause it can be used as a paper weight on a desk to avoid drafts from scattering your documents all over the room each time you open your windows, you buy a gun cause it makes you feel powerful and it makes you feel powerful because it gives you the power to kill a person simply by pulling a trigger. Fascination for guns and the power they confer is, I suppose, part of human nature. Everybody is at some point in their lives fascinated by that kind of power. I was too when I was a kid, I can't remember but I probably had a plastic toy gun I played with. But then something happened and I lost interest in guns. I GREW UP, matured and began reasoning and realized that guns are weapons that kill and there is NOTHING civilized about it or worth any type of fascination. (beside sick fascination I guess).
Now if you lost respect for my logic, I can't even say that much to you because I see no logic at all to begin with in that last line of your comment I made bold and underlined. Implying that guns are OK because and I quote "gun owners would have already murdered us to the last man" is like saying, war is okay because if war was bad, every last human would already have been murdered...
With all the gun related deaths, massacres that are now a very common thing in the United States, it is literally insanity to even think for a second that there is ANY good reason to own a gun. In fact wanting to own a gun is SO PERVERTED socially and humanly speaking that the logic behind this line "I'm buying a gun to defend myself because I want to be able to protect myself and be on equal footing with an assailant that points a gun at me" is, from a purely logical point of view... almost correct. At this point please note the greater logic that you wouldn't need to buy a gun to defend yourself against gun attacks if guns had NEVER been on sale in the FIRST PLACE. But I know that in the US that ship has long sailed and I don't think a point where no guns are on sale anymore and all guns already sold are destroyed, is even realistic anymore. So in America I'm afraid you guys are stuck with this sick logic of "more guns" to the guns problem. Wouldn't wanna be ya.
Sorry for the off-topic reply but I felt this reply to what you said was totally warranted. And I'll be happy to discuss this issue with you or anyone but not here, obviously.