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DonFerrari on 28 May 2018
CGI-Quality said:
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Don and Azz. I've watched that conversation go on and on for long enough now (and I've watched you guys go at each other in several threads, too). In here, the discussion remains in circles, has gone off-topic multiple times, and I don't see any resolution in sight. Thus, now I'm telling the both of you to move on. It's not a request and it's not up for discussion!

Ok

And did we just got another layout review?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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yvanjean on 30 May 2018
DonFerrari said:

yvanjean said:

Reviews won’t get a good reputation & remain in the industry long if they don’t have a level of professionalism, they will get called out or discredited by their peers and readers. Everything they write is available for all to see & will affect their portfolio. They need a fan base to remain relevant and that fan base will held them accountable. 

Metacritic only have approved reviewers so they have a standard to maintain.

As for your example who was the reviewer and where is she now? Probably not writing reviews.

It must be fantastic to live in this world of yours...

You probably missed the GoW thread with multiple links of reviewers spoiling they would give low scores to get clicks.

Journalism lost professionalism over 10 years or more ago.

This journalist? Go and look for the meta of GT5, and considering publications have editors who approve content, the reviewer in question didn't publish hidden. And I don't make a job of looking what happens with any reviewers since I don't give then relevance since their work is poor. For GT games I stick to the handfull or less that are specialist in racing/simulation for the gaming part and DF and Arstecnica for the eye candy. Most of other reviewers don't even know how to review a game of this type.

Metacritic's scoring converts each review into a percentage, either mathematically from the mark given, or which the site decides subjectively from a qualitative review. Before being averaged, the scores are weighted according to the critic's fame, stature, and volume of reviews.

You are focusing on what doesn't matter.  84 is great rating, when looking at sampling like these you should ignore top 5 rating and lowest 5 rating, what matters is the average. Even if you remove one or two bias reviews the metascore will remain mostly the same, you might jump one basis point. 

You are also missing the point of most reviews, Reviewers don't review GT5 base on exception from fans of the series or genre. They review for their respective audience and voice their personal experience on the game. Reviewer shouldn't review games based on the game's fan base expectation, they review base on their personal experience and appreciation for the game. They voice their opinion and that will be assigned a score.... the metascore will eventual ignored their opinion and provide a proper rating based on much larger aggregate of reviewers. 

Gran Turismo 5 got raving reviews.... It doesn't even have one negative review.... The reviews that you are complaining about wont change the metascore. 
You entire complaint about GT5 Scores is based on what you want has a fan of the series. The fact that GT5 did not even receive one negative review and your complaining about its score prove this point. Not every one will like a particular genre and will be ask to review for their fan bases.  Metascore don't only take reviews from expert in the genre or fan of the genre.... that's not how it work. 

Gran Turismo 5 

 

 

84

Generally favorable reviewsbased on 82 Critics

Critic score distribution:
  1. Positive:66out of 82
  2. Mixed:16out of 82
  3. Negative:0

 



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DonFerrari on 30 May 2018
yvanjean said:
DonFerrari said:

It must be fantastic to live in this world of yours...

You probably missed the GoW thread with multiple links of reviewers spoiling they would give low scores to get clicks.

Journalism lost professionalism over 10 years or more ago.

This journalist? Go and look for the meta of GT5, and considering publications have editors who approve content, the reviewer in question didn't publish hidden. And I don't make a job of looking what happens with any reviewers since I don't give then relevance since their work is poor. For GT games I stick to the handfull or less that are specialist in racing/simulation for the gaming part and DF and Arstecnica for the eye candy. Most of other reviewers don't even know how to review a game of this type.

Metacritic's scoring converts each review into a percentage, either mathematically from the mark given, or which the site decides subjectively from a qualitative review. Before being averaged, the scores are weighted according to the critic's fame, stature, and volume of reviews.

You are focusing on what doesn't matter.  84 is great rating, when looking at sampling like these you should ignore top 5 rating and lowest 5 rating, what matters is the average. Even if you remove one or two bias reviews the metascore will remain mostly the same, you might jump one basis point. 

You are also missing the point of most reviews, Reviewers don't review GT5 base on exception from fans of the series or genre. They review for their respective audience and voice their personal experience on the game. Reviewer shouldn't review games based on the game's fan base expectation, they review base on their personal experience and appreciation for the game. They voice their opinion and that will be assigned a score.... the metascore will eventual ignored their opinion and provide a proper rating based on much larger aggregate of reviewers. 

Gran Turismo 5 got raving reviews.... It doesn't even have one negative review.... The reviews that you are complaining about wont change the metascore. 
You entire complaint about GT5 Scores is based on what you want has a fan of the series. The fact that GT5 did not even receive one negative review and your complaining about its score prove this point. Not every one will like a particular genre and will be ask to review for their fan bases.  Metascore don't only take reviews from expert in the genre or fan of the genre.... that's not how it work. 

Gran Turismo 5 

 

 

84

Generally favorable reviewsbased on 82 Critics

Critic score distribution:
  1. Positive:66out of 82
  2. Mixed:16out of 82
  3. Negative:0

 

Seems like you ignored your own point on how all reviewers are professional.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but games should be evaluated on what they try to accomplish and not on what you would like them to be. 

And seems like the 2 reviewers that gave GT5 40 and 50 got decomissioned.

But sure, a 40 on a 80 average is impossible to be a troll.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mcube on 31 May 2018
DonFerrari said:
Mcube said:

Yeah but every game has em. It would be like deleting Jim Sterlings review of BOTW cause he didnt like how open Zelda was. But with this like this it can ge bad because people can just hate the entire genre but to put people that love David cage´s work on the game for reviews is a bit of a stretch. Its all a bit harder with sites like Metacritic around and being under what most consumers think everyone knows you´re the ´bad guy´ they might not even be trolling they might genuinely dislike the game. 

But yes they do exist and anyone saying they dont is a lie. Its all for the clicks. 

I don't have a problem with a reviewer explaining why he didn't like a game and giving an adequate score for it (but personal enjoyment shouldn't be the biggest factor). But when you hate the genre then the review is already at jeopardy.

100% agree with you. David Cage games are always pretty weird to review though. Its all about the first playthrough for maximum enjoyment (With these kind of story driven games). Im going to pick it up though since its right up my alley. 



DonFerrari on 31 May 2018
Mcube said:
DonFerrari said:

I don't have a problem with a reviewer explaining why he didn't like a game and giving an adequate score for it (but personal enjoyment shouldn't be the biggest factor). But when you hate the genre then the review is already at jeopardy.

100% agree with you. David Cage games are always pretty weird to review though. Its all about the first playthrough for maximum enjoyment (With these kind of story driven games). Im going to pick it up though since its right up my alley. 

Yep. For me HR, B2S and probably Detroit is between 80-90 game perhaps even higher. I really enjoyed the first 2.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Tmfwang on 31 May 2018

It's actually close to hitting 80.
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/all/filtered?sort=desc&page=38



Predicted 15+ million lifetime-sales for God of War:

- http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=234612&page=1

Mcube on 31 May 2018
DonFerrari said:
Mcube said:

100% agree with you. David Cage games are always pretty weird to review though. Its all about the first playthrough for maximum enjoyment (With these kind of story driven games). Im going to pick it up though since its right up my alley. 

Yep. For me HR, B2S and probably Detroit is between 80-90 game perhaps even higher. I really enjoyed the first 2.

Heavy rain is a good game but I think Beyond two souls is still one of the dumbest games I´ve ever played. Just cant get over it it feels like he just made everything up as he went on. Heavy rain is good and Indigo Prophecy is pretty fun aswell. 



yvanjean on 31 May 2018
DonFerrari said:
yvanjean said:

Metacritic's scoring converts each review into a percentage, either mathematically from the mark given, or which the site decides subjectively from a qualitative review. Before being averaged, the scores are weighted according to the critic's fame, stature, and volume of reviews.

You are focusing on what doesn't matter.  84 is great rating, when looking at sampling like these you should ignore top 5 rating and lowest 5 rating, what matters is the average. Even if you remove one or two bias reviews the metascore will remain mostly the same, you might jump one basis point. 

You are also missing the point of most reviews, Reviewers don't review GT5 base on exception from fans of the series or genre. They review for their respective audience and voice their personal experience on the game. Reviewer shouldn't review games based on the game's fan base expectation, they review base on their personal experience and appreciation for the game. They voice their opinion and that will be assigned a score.... the metascore will eventual ignored their opinion and provide a proper rating based on much larger aggregate of reviewers. 

Gran Turismo 5 got raving reviews.... It doesn't even have one negative review.... The reviews that you are complaining about wont change the metascore. 
You entire complaint about GT5 Scores is based on what you want has a fan of the series. The fact that GT5 did not even receive one negative review and your complaining about its score prove this point. Not every one will like a particular genre and will be ask to review for their fan bases.  Metascore don't only take reviews from expert in the genre or fan of the genre.... that's not how it work. 

Gran Turismo 5 

 

 

84

Generally favorable reviewsbased on 82 Critics

Critic score distribution:
  1. Positive:66out of 82
  2. Mixed:16out of 82
  3. Negative:0

 

Seems like you ignored your own point on how all reviewers are professional.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but games should be evaluated on what they try to accomplish and not on what you would like them to be. 

And seems like the 2 reviewers that gave GT5 40 and 50 got decomissioned.

But sure, a 40 on a 80 average is impossible to be a troll.

That's what happen if you can't maintain professionalism you get decommissioned. 

I'm not saying they are all professional most of the review writers are young college kids with very little experience.... but the Metascore make their review irrelevant. 

Going back to Detroit: Become Human of the 84 reviews most are from credible source and websites. If someone did not enjoy the game and use a 5 point scale .... 2/5 (40%) isn't trolling it's just a negative review.   Reviewer backed up his score with an article that explain why he din't like it. 80 average isn't there because all reviews should be 80%, it's what the game got from compiling all review score. 



Mandalore76 on 01 June 2018
DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

I know you love GTS so I am using GTS as a prime example to how you are thinking, not how I am thinking, I haven't read the review, but basing off your logic, anything far from the average should be treated as a troll review or fake review. I use the term fake meaning troll because its not a real review, just something for clicks or to hype or drop a products standings. 

I also haven't read the reviews on Detroit so I wouldn't know if its a troll review or not, but I can say this, there are 2 reviews giving the game 4/10 not just 1 which doesn't hold your argument up very well. Also a 4 isn't a broken mess, Angry Joe gives 4s out to slightly below average games, a broken mess would be a 1 or 2. Depends who you listen to.

Yes I watch Jim on YouTube, is there a problem with that? 

So you admit to be fishing using a strawman argument? Where did anyone besides you said any score that is far from average (that for you if 25 or 40 is the same, then 25 to 10 is the same and 10 to 0 as well right?) is troll (you are also the only one talking about fake review). You are the one changing definitions non-stop to try and make an argument stick, and have failed miserably at it.

When you read the review for GTS and see how it is fake you come and use it. Because people here have read the Detroit and show why it's ridiculous.

Are we discussing Angry Joe? Haven't seem his review cited here. And still Detroit wouldn't dwell on below average (also ignore that gaming average have been sitting about 70 as also show to you in other threads).

No problem you watching Jim, just curious why you would watch negative reviews on a game you don't care on a platform you never play. Will you list the PS games you played yet?

He already told you.  There are plenty of people who watch a reviewer's videos (myself included, which is why I'm throwing my 2 cents in here) regardless of what they are playing, because they happen to like the reviewer.  I watched the exact same video, and I have no problem telling you that I don't have a PS4.  I didn't type "find negative reviews on Detroit: Become Human" into the YouTube search bar.  I typed "Jim Sterling", because I happen to like listening to his videos while on lunch break or driving home from work.  If you like the particular reviewer, the content doesn't have to be something you actually intend to play, or sought out, or even agree with for that matter.



hinch on 01 June 2018

Played through the game in a week and I'd say 79 is a pretty fair meta score. I'd personally give it the game a 7. And like other story driven games, I'm not keen to replay it anytime soon - hence why I traded it in.

[MINI REVIEW] My verdict.. better than Beyond, by far but not quite as good as Heavy Rain. Which is a bit of a disappointment as I am fascinated at the premise and setting of the game. Detroit does have a good cast with some of my favourite actors in it; Clancy Brown, Lance Henriksen, anyone? And some of the best looking graphics I've seen in-game.

Negatives, the game has clunky controls and awkward QTE's that have you wrestling around with your controller like a madman/woman else your characters suffer an ill fate should you miss to hit the right command. Story despite a promising start falls flat and a lot of cringy dialogue and text.

It does have some excellent moments in the game that pull on your heartstrings and a lot of options for replayability. Sadly, it is let down by the story, dull characters (barring Connor, Hank and a few others) and some poor writing.