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CartBlanche on 16 June 2018
numberwang said:
CartBlanche said:

I did write "IF YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY" and you are obviously ignorant.

In 1995 Serbian christians/catholics committed a genocide and killed over 8,000 muslim men and boys from Bosnia. 

Should I redraw that graph for you?? Even if you take into consideration deaths from 9/11 (which was just 6 years later) you can't even come close to 8000 catholics, christians or jews killed by muslims.

When you learn history come back and talk! Just imagine how many countries the US would invade if 8000 Americans had been killed by muslims.

So many stupid people on here.

If you want to include death in war, radical Muslims will take the lead again by a huge margin. Just the civil war in Somalia has probably killed more than half a million. Factor in para-military groups around the world like ISIS or Boko Haram and the number of victims go into millions. Islamic terrorism has killed about 16000 people in 2017 alone, no comparison to Christianity or Hinduism.

So because you can't counter my argument you now bring up something totally new. Your original point had NOTHING to do with muslim on muslim violence, but because you can't counter my facts you bring up a different issue. 

Since you are incapable of staying on topic I'll play along. In 2016 gun deaths in the US accounted for 38,658 dead US citizens in one year. That is more than double the muslim on muslim deaths in 2017. No comparison to Muslim terrorism. If you are American you should be twice as scared of your friend, family member  or neighbour than a muslim, FACT❗️



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Mr Puggsly on 19 June 2018
Eagle367 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Haha, if the entire middle east was atheist (or even Jewish) we might actually see peace there. They slaughter each other over the best way to practice Islam.

I think you don't understand the middle east at all. It's political not religious in the middle east. religion is just being used. Propaganda tools to sway weak minded individuals:

religion

nationality

race 

language

The easiest is religion since you can twist and turn it to your will. You clearly have no idea about Islam or the middle east. Sorry but go read up

The middle east is what happens when a horrible religion dictates politics.



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Eagle367 on 19 June 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
Eagle367 said:

I think you don't understand the middle east at all. It's political not religious in the middle east. religion is just being used. Propaganda tools to sway weak minded individuals:

religion

nationality

race 

language

The easiest is religion since you can twist and turn it to your will. You clearly have no idea about Islam or the middle east. Sorry but go read up

The middle east is what happens when a horrible religion dictates politics.

Nope it happens when a regime splits up regions that don't mesh well into countries creating decades of conflict and then another regime starting wars based on false claims. Islam didn't cause any violence like this for centuries. A twisted messed up sick mind can twist even the most beautiful of things into a sick evil monster. You've never lived in the region to know and understand the true motives of the different factions fighting for dominance. It's still a melting pot of international politics and warfare. A lot of interest groups are working there. All major world players have a stake in the region. Some you won't even think about like India



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Mr Puggsly on 19 June 2018
Eagle367 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The middle east is what happens when a horrible religion dictates politics.

Nope it happens when a regime splits up regions that don't mesh well into countries creating decades of conflict and then another regime starting wars based on false claims. Islam didn't cause any violence like this for centuries. A twisted messed up sick mind can twist even the most beautiful of things into a sick evil monster. You've never lived in the region to know and understand the true motives of the different factions fighting for dominance. It's still a melting pot of international politics and warfare. A lot of interest groups are working there. All major world players have a stake in the region. Some you won't even think about like India

I'm not arguing Islam the sole reason the middle east is a mess. It just objectively plays a roll in the violence, politics, etc.

Giving people basic human rights we have in the west conflicts with typical Islam dominated countries. This is reality.



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Eagle367 on 20 June 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
Eagle367 said:

Nope it happens when a regime splits up regions that don't mesh well into countries creating decades of conflict and then another regime starting wars based on false claims. Islam didn't cause any violence like this for centuries. A twisted messed up sick mind can twist even the most beautiful of things into a sick evil monster. You've never lived in the region to know and understand the true motives of the different factions fighting for dominance. It's still a melting pot of international politics and warfare. A lot of interest groups are working there. All major world players have a stake in the region. Some you won't even think about like India

I'm not arguing Islam the sole reason the middle east is a mess. It just objectively plays a roll in the violence, politics, etc.

Giving people basic human rights we have in the west conflicts with typical Islam dominated countries. This is reality.

That is the illusion in which you live, but not the reality. The Islam you see in the media is not Islam. The Islam the mullahs in their ignorance teach is not Islam. Suffice it to say actual Islam needs a marketing genius because it's not getting across. You thought the wii u's marketing was a disaster, you haven't seen anything. The proportion of real scholars to interest group fake ones is really bad and the proportion of real scholars to the total number of Muslims is also bad. Perspective is also what matters. What people perceive as success for example is a lot of money and wealth, but is a depressed rich guy with no friends or family really successful? The perception of the human experiment in modern western culture isn't the only one and it certainly isn't the only correct one. Islam as it actually is meshes well with different cultures and that's why there are so many distinct cultures under it's banner. If Islam truly was this grubby little monopolaic thing that completely nullified all other aspects of life, the cultures wouldn't exist. Like south Asian Muslims would have the same culture as Arab Muslims, but it's not that way for a reason. The cultures were preserved. And Islam in the west can be corecycwhile maintaining the western identity



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Mr Puggsly on 20 June 2018
Eagle367 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I'm not arguing Islam the sole reason the middle east is a mess. It just objectively plays a roll in the violence, politics, etc.

Giving people basic human rights we have in the west conflicts with typical Islam dominated countries. This is reality.

That is the illusion in which you live, but not the reality. The Islam you see in the media is not Islam. The Islam the mullahs in their ignorance teach is not Islam. Suffice it to say actual Islam needs a marketing genius because it's not getting across. You thought the wii u's marketing was a disaster, you haven't seen anything. The proportion of real scholars to interest group fake ones is really bad and the proportion of real scholars to the total number of Muslims is also bad. Perspective is also what matters. What people perceive as success for example is a lot of money and wealth, but is a depressed rich guy with no friends or family really successful? The perception of the human experiment in modern western culture isn't the only one and it certainly isn't the only correct one. Islam as it actually is meshes well with different cultures and that's why there are so many distinct cultures under it's banner. If Islam truly was this grubby little monopolaic thing that completely nullified all other aspects of life, the cultures wouldn't exist. Like south Asian Muslims would have the same culture as Arab Muslims, but it's not that way for a reason. The cultures were preserved. And Islam in the west can be corecycwhile maintaining the western identity

You can blame the media, but this is the form Islam that's problematic and antithetical to the west.



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Eagle367 on 23 June 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
Eagle367 said:

That is the illusion in which you live, but not the reality. The Islam you see in the media is not Islam. The Islam the mullahs in their ignorance teach is not Islam. Suffice it to say actual Islam needs a marketing genius because it's not getting across. You thought the wii u's marketing was a disaster, you haven't seen anything. The proportion of real scholars to interest group fake ones is really bad and the proportion of real scholars to the total number of Muslims is also bad. Perspective is also what matters. What people perceive as success for example is a lot of money and wealth, but is a depressed rich guy with no friends or family really successful? The perception of the human experiment in modern western culture isn't the only one and it certainly isn't the only correct one. Islam as it actually is meshes well with different cultures and that's why there are so many distinct cultures under it's banner. If Islam truly was this grubby little monopolaic thing that completely nullified all other aspects of life, the cultures wouldn't exist. Like south Asian Muslims would have the same culture as Arab Muslims, but it's not that way for a reason. The cultures were preserved. And Islam in the west can be corecycwhile maintaining the western identity

You can blame the media, but this is the form Islam that's problematic and antithetical to the west.

Well than good news for you since that form only exists in the heads of the extremists and the people who are ignorant and hate Islam. The actual Islam is something different



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Mr Puggsly on 23 June 2018
Eagle367 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You can blame the media, but this is the form Islam that's problematic and antithetical to the west.

Well than good news for you since that form only exists in the heads of the extremists and the people who are ignorant and hate Islam. The actual Islam is something different

Well... there are popular views in Islamic countries not compatible with the west. This is because of Islam.

Sharia Law is considered pretty rad in some regions.



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CartBlanche on 24 June 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
Eagle367 said:

Well than good news for you since that form only exists in the heads of the extremists and the people who are ignorant and hate Islam. The actual Islam is something different

Well... there are popular views in Islamic countries not compatible with the west. This is because of Islam.

Sharia Law is considered pretty rad in some regions.

Just like there are popular views in some western countries that aren't popular in more civilised western countries? No views are universal and everyone on all sides picks and chooses what THEY hypocritically think is right and "modern", for want of a better term.



Mr Puggsly on 25 June 2018
CartBlanche said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Well... there are popular views in Islamic countries not compatible with the west. This is because of Islam.

Sharia Law is considered pretty rad in some regions.

Just like there are popular views in some western countries that aren't popular in more civilised western countries? No views are universal and everyone on all sides picks and chooses what THEY hypocritically think is right and "modern", for want of a better term.

I get what you're saying, but its generally in the middle where their ideas feel more antiquated. That's because they are and Islam is part of it.



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