Proxy-Pie said: Seems like the opposite extreme of feminism, except much less popular

As i see it they are the different side of the same coin, collectively blaming everyone for the "crime" of few.

It doesn't have to be "oppression" to recognize that there are some double standards when it comes to men in certain areas of Western society that should at least be listened to. And that isn't to say that women have their own set of BS to deal with, but that shouldn't totally rule out that men have their share in different ways as well.

And being a white dude doesn't automatically make life sunshine and rainbows.

Race has nothing to do with it.

Well feminists have made it illegal to discuss make issues specifically white male issues. And women always win custody battles and alimony even if they are the lying cheating scum. So a counter movement was inevitable to this kind of mistreatmeny. The very fact that you think white men having issues is laughable is what got us to mgtow in the first place. When you laugh off these issues(not in comedy but in seriousness) you are creating a disenfranchised populace. There would be no mgtow if modern feminists were reasonable

I think you are confusing incels with mgtow. In mgtow you can get laid but not be in a relationship especially marriage based on the notion that every girl will screw them over at some point

I was looking forward for a rick roll. Been a long time since the last time.

They have a point in that men face horrible discrimination in the law courts and are screwed over in divorce, child custody so it is bonkers for any man to marry a woman which i agree with but some of it's followers are in the same boat as the feminazi's who want the complete extinction of the opposite sex.

I consider myself a second wave feminist (that's the 'more extreme', unsexy kind) and I'm actually kind of okay with MTGOW. I don't agree at all with their motivations or general attitudes about women (being one), but I do understand the emotional need to have separate spaces. Second wave (or, if you will, radical) feminism encompasses a lot of views that might be considered politically incorrect as well. Female separatism (the logical opposite of MTGOW), for example, is considered to be an idea that is within our range of acceptable debate. Indeed, some of our more noted thought leaders, like Sheila Jeffreys and Janice Raymond, are female separatists.

In a time where some MRAs (like these "incel" creeps) are apparently willing to kill us en masse for the right to rape on the theory that sex is a right owed to men by women (pro tip: I'm a lesbian and it's definitely not), hey MTGOWs seem a lot nicer and more reasonable. Except the ones who buy prostituted women. If you're going to "go your own way" then do so properly: don't buy sex slaves. Be politically gay or something. You see what I'm saying?

I just hope MTGOWs would be willing to respect female separation as well, not just private spaces for themselves.

I don't feel like I need to feel anything about these people.

They're free to do what they do and feel what they feel.

If they develop some dogmatic views along the way, they're maybe just proving themselves to not be going entirely their own ways. But they don't seem to be hurting anybody.

Attractiveness has nothing to do with this. Most of the MGTOW are divorced. (Means they were attractive enough to get a wife.) They usually start to go their own way after bad experiences with women.

It's not surprising that some men have bad experiences with women -- just as some women have bad experiences with men. To generalize those experiences to the whole gender is a mistake, imo; a mistake made equally by MGTOW and many feminists.