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o_O.Q said:
"in the Trump campaign to attack American democracy"

but america is a constitutional republic... what the fuck?

jumping the gun a little early socialists

It is also a democracy by definition of it's word. A republic just means that it's not reigned by a monarch in a monarchy. Which means countries like Nazi Germany, the USSR or North Korea all fall under the republic category. A democracy means that at least part of the power is in the civilian's hands, in contrast to a dictatorship where the leader/s of the country has all the powers for him/her/themselves.

Oh, and it is a constitutional republic... just because it has a constitution. Nowadays every country has one, but at the creation of the Unites States, they where among the first to do so. Hence why in those days being a constitutional republic was a big thing, but nowadays that applies for roughly 70% of all the nations in the world.

Edit: damn, ninja'ed

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 22 April 2018

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It’s actually sad it even has to come to this. If the American people would have any balls and self respect left they’d have long demanded resignation.

The whole world laughs at you and you’re too busy and distracted fighting yourself.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
o_O.Q said:
"in the Trump campaign to attack American democracy"

but america is a constitutional republic... what the fuck?

jumping the gun a little early socialists

It is also a democracy by definition of it's word. A republic just means that it's not reigned by a monarch in a monarchy. Which means countries like Nazi Germany, the USSR or North Korea all fall under the republic category. A democracy means that at least part of the power is in the civilian's hands, in contrast to a dictatorship where the leader/s of the country has all the powers for him/her/themselves.

Oh, and it is a constitutional republic... just because it has a constitution. Nowadays every country has one, but at the creation of the Unites States, they where among the first to do so. Hence why in those days being a constitutional republic was a big thing, but nowadays that applies for roughly 70% of all the nations in the world.

Edit: damn, ninja'ed

"A democracy means that at least part of the power is in the civilian's hands, in contrast to a dictatorship where the leader/s of the country has all the powers for him/her/themselves."

dictatorships have routinely been born out of democracies... can you guess why?

 

"It is also a democracy by definition of it's word."

its actually not... its the representatives that make the decisions not the majority of people


"A republic just means that it's not reigned by a monarch in a monarchy."

so according to you there is no difference between a democracy and a republic?

because i could also make the argument that a democracy is not ruled by a monarch either

why are you playing this semantic game?

 

"A democracy means that at least part of the power is in the civilian's hands"

no, a democracy is a form of government where the general public make the decisions by majority vote

which means that if america was a democracy the citizens could choose to vote away their rights such as those of gun ownershipp

however, the constitution and having representatives make decisions influenced by that constitution prevents this from happening 

it was done as i said previously to prevent the citizens of the country from voting away essential rights in the event that they for whatever reason whether it be manipulation or stupidity choose to do so

 

but don't worry those in power are working very hard to have this all pulled back so there will be a democracy and they are putting the intellectual framework in place to have rights voted away when that happens and then if you are alive you'll get to see what true democracy is really about



o_O.Q said:

"A democracy means that at least part of the power is in the civilian's hands, in contrast to a dictatorship where the leader/s of the country has all the powers for him/her/themselves."

dictatorships have routinely been born out of democracies... can you guess why?

 

"It is also a democracy by definition of it's word."

its actually not... its the representatives that make the decisions not the majority of people


"A republic just means that it's not reigned by a monarch in a monarchy."

so according to you there is no difference between a democracy and a republic?

because i could also make the argument that a democracy is not ruled by a monarch either

why are you playing this semantic game?

 

"A democracy means that at least part of the power is in the civilian's hands"

no, a democracy is a form of government where the general public make the decisions by majority vote

which means that if america was a democracy the citizens could choose to vote away their rights such as those of gun ownershipp

however, the constitution and having representatives make decisions influenced by that constitution prevents this from happening 

it was done as i said previously to prevent the citizens of the country from voting away essential rights in the event that they for whatever reason whether it be manipulation or stupidity choose to do so

 

but don't worry those in power are working very hard to have this all pulled back so there will be a democracy and they are putting the intellectual framework in place to have rights voted away when that happens and then if you are alive you'll get to see what true democracy is really about

I see you missed my post.  

 

There are different kinds of democracies.  The US has a representative democracy where we vote on people to vote for us.  Even the people that wrote the constitution called it that.  



the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:

"A democracy means that at least part of the power is in the civilian's hands, in contrast to a dictatorship where the leader/s of the country has all the powers for him/her/themselves."

dictatorships have routinely been born out of democracies... can you guess why?

 

"It is also a democracy by definition of it's word."

its actually not... its the representatives that make the decisions not the majority of people


"A republic just means that it's not reigned by a monarch in a monarchy."

so according to you there is no difference between a democracy and a republic?

because i could also make the argument that a democracy is not ruled by a monarch either

why are you playing this semantic game?

 

"A democracy means that at least part of the power is in the civilian's hands"

no, a democracy is a form of government where the general public make the decisions by majority vote

which means that if america was a democracy the citizens could choose to vote away their rights such as those of gun ownershipp

however, the constitution and having representatives make decisions influenced by that constitution prevents this from happening 

it was done as i said previously to prevent the citizens of the country from voting away essential rights in the event that they for whatever reason whether it be manipulation or stupidity choose to do so

 

but don't worry those in power are working very hard to have this all pulled back so there will be a democracy and they are putting the intellectual framework in place to have rights voted away when that happens and then if you are alive you'll get to see what true democracy is really about

I see you missed my post.  

 

There are different kinds of democracies.  The US has a representative democracy where we vote on people to vote for us.  Even the people that wrote the constitution called it that.  

um... can you identify what i was criticising for me?



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o_O.Q said:
the-pi-guy said:

I see you missed my post.  

 

There are different kinds of democracies.  The US has a representative democracy where we vote on people to vote for us.  Even the people that wrote the constitution called it that.  

um... can you identify what i was criticising for me?

Can you identify what I was criticizing.

"It is also a democracy by definition of it's word."

its actually not... its the representatives that make the decisions not the majority of people

This is not true.  The US is a representative democracy.  
so according to you there is no difference between a democracy and a republic?
This is also not true.  The two things aren't opposing ideas.  Any more than Capitalism and Democracy. 


the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:

um... can you identify what i was criticising for me?

Can you identify what I was criticizing.

"It is also a democracy by definition of it's word."

its actually not... its the representatives that make the decisions not the majority of people

This is not true.  The US is a representative democracy.  
so according to you there is no difference between a democracy and a republic?
This is also not true.  The two things aren't opposing ideas.  Any more than Capitalism and Democracy. 

"This is not true.  The US is a representative democracy. "

lol ok what is the purpose of the representatives?

"The two things aren't opposing ideas."

which i didn't say, but clearly there is a difference between a constitutional republic and a democracy



When reading the reporting on this lawsuit I couldn't help to think any Judge who happens to get this will be either beyond angry at the waste of the courts time about too busy laughing at such a pathetic attempt to utilize the court system for a PR stunt.



Does this imply that the only "correct" outcome in the democratic election was that Hillary won?

Cuz' thats the only thing I'm getting out of this.

"If people don't use their votes like we want them to, then its a threat to democracy"

If the only issue is that Russia pushed propaganda, then.. Well, everyone does that. Always.


And if they actually won, what would that mean? Would Trump be replaced by Hillary because he somehow won unfairly or whatever? Its all so dumb. Super dumb.



o_O.Q said:
deskpro2k3 said:

I just told you it has democratic ideals and techniques. It doesn't specifically say it, but I can explain how it works. again..

the point i'm making is that you're wrong... that's why there is, for example, an electoral college

 

okay grab a chair, I'm about to hit you with some knowledge.

[PDF] Democracy in the United States - Homepage | USCIS

https://search.uscis.gov/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&affiliate=uscis_gov&query=handouts

"The United States is a representative democracy. This means that our government is elected by citizens. Here, citizens vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens’ ideas and concerns in government. Voting is one way to participate in our democracy. Citizens can also contact their officials when they want to support or change a law. Voting in an election and contacting our elected officials are two ways that Americans can participate in their democracy."

 

The American Heritage Dictionary

https://ahdictionary.com/

Republic: "A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them" - we are that. A common definition of "democracy" is, "Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives" - we are that, too.

Last edited by deskpro2k3 - on 22 April 2018