Really? You go out for a walk and you are supposed to know that you are going to get stabbed?

On the other side, you marry someone you don't know well enough, yet you assume he's going to be perfect and nothing bad could possibly comes out of him?

Assuming other people are dangerous is BASIC STUFF, it's everywhere. Why do you think my name is crazygamer and not my real name? why do you think my face, address, family names, place of work etc... do not appear on this forum? Why do you think YOUR name, address etc... do not appear in the forum? Why is the front door of your house locked when you are not home, possibly locked too when you are home? Because you DO ASSUME there is danger with other human beings and if you don't assume, and let your door open all day long or give all your info online and sooner or later something bad happens, you are not going to consider your MISTAKE as exactly that?

Same thing here, don't leave your door open, don't give your info online and if you do then take responsibility. NOT for the crime someone could commit against you but for the lack of good judgement of doing those things.

Agreed. the crime would not be my fault, but the mistake would cause I should have known better than to wander in a dangerous part of town alone at night and on foot.

Berzerk was getting out of line but let's call this what it is. It's a dude who goes around and makes outrageous claims on every thread that has even a tiny bit of political involved, says that other people can't handle free speech when they get mad at him, and then gets mad at others when they get even a tad offensive.

Of course Berzerk was "getting out of line", the site has pretty strict rules so that's a given. A mod already handled it though and trying to use that as an excuse for going out of a debate is intellectually lazy, specifically in this scenario where Berzerk was barely being rude at all. You'd have to be a light weight to bow down because of that comment.

Sorry I was not clear on that. I did start reading what you said, but at the very first line of your text you began using derogatory words, what was it again? Oh yeah, brainlet. My nickname is Crazygamer, not brainlet. So yeah, I do talk of respect and debating in a civilized manner.

It's amazing that you insult me when I never insulted you and you have the audacity of telling me that I should not speak of respect. I'm just like, wow.

So, unless you keep yourself locked up in your house all day, and never let anyone come in, it's your mistake and you have to take responsibility for something bad happening to you?

Well yes, I'd feel like an idiot if I let in someone I don't really know and if that someone becomes dangerous. But again and stop ignoring this next part: that someone entering your house is the ONLY one responsible for the actual attack or stabbing or whatever he'd do to you in your house.

I think the problem in this argument is that you guys don't understand the difference between "taking responsibility" and "committing a crime". Cause you act as if I said the victim commits a crime when all I say is the victim needs to take responsibility for the mistake he/she made. The criminal who made the crime is still the ONLY ONE responsible for the crime itself.

If you don't learn to take responsibility then you will be in danger all the time throughout your life cause you'll never learn to make smart choices, you'll always be doing dangerous stuff and when something bad happens, it's not your responsibility which means you'll do AGAIN next time something stupid and put yourself in danger. Like children do. Which is why we teach kids to not do dangerous stuff, to not cross roads without watching for cars etc. The moment a kid understands and starts looking carefully before crossing a road, that kid has learn to take responsibility for the consequence of crossing without looking first for cars and he will be much safer then.

The comment stepped out of line. Berzerk and I discussed it and he accepted his part in it. However, you’re now doing something similar (bringing up age/calling people ‘light weights’). On the back of my earlier Warning, you have a chance to step away from this. I’d take it.

You specifically described your scenario as a dangerous part of town, i.e. incidents like robbery or stabbings have a realistic chance to occur during night time. On the other hand, marriages are made with no visible or known signs that rape is a realistic possibility, especially because marriage is usually a decision that is made after a high level of trust has been built. As such, the two scenarios are not equal at all, hence why your analogy falls flat on its face.

All the analogies you use in your most recent post fall into the same category as "dangerous part of town", so they aren't any good either.

NO, I'm telling YOU for the sake of my example that the part of town in question is dangerous. Me, the person that decides to walk there does not know it's dangerous, obviously. If I knew it was dangerous It would not be a mistake of my part, it would be pure stupidity, knowing of a danger and still going towards it. So my point is I walk there without knowing it's specifically dangerous. That's what I mean when i said I walk to a dangerous part of town.

I'm sorry but it's obvious I did not know it's a dangerous part of town, why would anyone go on purpose, alone and on foot towards a danger?

Why would anyone marry someone else if they know in advance he/she is a rapist?