Once again, I'll refer you to the bolded statement. I'm giving you a reason that you're ignoring, so yes, you're not 'missing' it so much as disregarding it. In which case, we can't have a discussion.
Your logic is basically that they ignored a warning that they would be killed to see the governor. Except that one can't see said governor when dead. So that is not a reason at all, especially not a reason of making martyrs out of children that have absolutely nothing to do with this mess. That's on the parents.
I've had issues with LeBron James for awhile myself. He's joined in on jump the gun protests for people such as Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. There is not enough accountability for that whole movement's reliance on "we know how those people are" and ignoring evidence.
It's basically the crux of Mayella Ewell's charge against Tom Robinson.
In any case, calling out James or Kimmel and attacking their credibility is perfectly acceptable behavior from a commentator. It is not bullying.
I'm not sure how having life experience makes one's regrets over their past behavior suspect. I would hope all of us have learned lessons that way at one point or another. As for her apology to Hogg, frankly, I don't believe it was necessary in the first place. It really doesn't matter to me whether it was sincere or not. If anything, by acknowledging she was in the wrong, she tossed some chum into the water.
As for the question of who is being bullied, it's certainly Ingraham. Hogg is attacking people personally all the time. He's attacking Ingraham professionally, which is much worse, not better. And the inclusion of outrage mobs denying people the ability to work is something we should all be taking seriously as a problem in this country.
Why are insults and personal attacks a better method of discourse? Why is it better to insult James, Durant, Kimmel and Hogg? To hold them accountable? For what? Isn't Ingraham currently being held accountable for her actions? Why is it wrong in her case?
Am I going about this discussion with you the wrong way? Should I be personally attacking you? Would you prefer that?
"And what sides are you talking about in terms of snowflakes? I was talking about the people on the right that are like Ben Shapiro, Laura Ingraham that act like a victim in so many cases."
how can you seriously make this argument in good faith when the entire agenda of the left is to encourage every group under the sun besides white men to play the victim:
"women you have been oppressed by men for centuries so you need to tear down the patriarchy" (never mind that it was men who developed most of the advancements that allowed women to have the freedom they have today)
"blacks you have been oppressed by centuries by white people so you need to fear and hate them" (never mind that white people fought to abolish slavery)
"transgenders you have been oppressed by white man developed heteronomativity and biology so you need to tear down the patriarchy"
and i could go on all day with this retarded bullshit, come on man you aren't being fair here
how can you seriously make this argument in good faith when the entire agenda of the left is to encourage every group under the sun besides white men to play the victim:
Sure, just like rightism encourages white men to play the victim. The big one: "The atheist left is trying to take away your Christianity." , but I can't forget "The left wants Islam to be taught in schools, and supports terrorism!"
"women you have been oppressed by men for centuries so you need to tear down the patriarchy" (never mind that it was men who developed most of the advancements that allowed women to have the freedom they have today)
This one doesn't make any sense. The big reason why men had to "develop advancements to allow women to have freedom" is because for many societies women just didn't have freedom. There wasn't any big reason they didn't. There are some societies that are matriarchal. They didn't need any "advancements". Many people on the left don't understand the pay gap issue, there is that. But even on this, they are closer to being right than this nonsense.
"blacks you have been oppressed by centuries by white people so you need to fear and hate them" (never mind that white people fought to abolish slavery)
White people don't need to be feared and hated. There are some on the left that sometimes go to those extremes, but they are a vocal minority. And sure, white people fought to abolish slavery, that doesn't mean that slavery didn't happen. It also doesn't mean that all the things in the next century following the abolition of slavery didn't happen either.
"transgenders you have been oppressed by white man developed heteronomativity and biology so you need to tear down the patriarchy"
This one is just wrong. Transgenderism has nothing to do with not liking biology, or tearing down the patriarchy. There are people that are biologically XY that don't have a penis, and people that are biologically XX that do. Biology is vastly more complicated than XY=penis, and XX=vagina.
"Sure, just like rightism encourages white men to play the victim."
that's not true though, can you give an example?
""The atheist left is trying to take away your Christianity.""
i could only see this being valid if christianity was exclusively for white men... but its not... so what's your point?
"The left wants Islam to be taught in schools, and supports terrorism!""
i mean i could go on here but feminist advocacy for islam is pretty apparent to anyone who has been paying attention
i suppose the second component is whether its a violent religion or not
...well that seems pretty clear to me...
"There wasn't any big reason they didn't. There are some societies that are matriarchal. They didn't need any "advancements". "
birth control? the industrial revolution reducing the need for physical labor? you really don't understand how these technological advancements among others emancipated women?
can you name a matriarchal society not living out in the bush? you do understand that i'm framing this from the context of modern civilisation right?
"White people don't need to be feared and hated. There are some on the left that sometimes go to those extremes, but they are a vocal minority."
i've been imagining the mainstream media calling for blacks to be wary of white policeman for all those weeks then
"This one is just wrong. Transgenderism has nothing to do with not liking biology"
"There are people that are biologically XY that don't have a penis, and people that are biologically XX that do. "
there are people who have eight legs but we define a human as having 2 legs right?
a classification does not mean there will be no outliers
is your argument therefore that we should simply throw away all classifications since outliers happen across just about everything?
or is the more sensible path to acknowledge that in order to have classification a generalisation must be made?
"Biology is vastly more complicated than XY=penis, and XX=vagina. "
well i think when you consider that 99.92% of the time this is the case then we can safely make that assumption
just like we can safely assume that human means 2 legs
For example during one debate about healthcare, he says that US healthcare is better because it has better cancer survival rates. Which is first off a tiny facet of healthcare. Even our cancer survival rates are only marginally better. https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/articles/concord-2.htm
But in many other facets of healthcare, the US is behind.
Aeolus451 said:
How much of his stuff have you watched?
I don't personally watch much of any media. I've seen a handful of videos. I'm not impressed.
That's not the sum of his argument on that, though. That's a complicated topic that can't be boiled down to one sentence. He's talked about it at length in many instances. He's worth watching in general even if you were turned off by a few vids.
Nah, nothing bullyish about this really. The OTs insistence on calling him a 'kid' is a thinly veiled attempt to diminish him even further. His marks, or college aspirations should have nothing to do with any of this at all. He was a victim of a shooting and it is his right to advocate against guns. This attack by a Republican is clearly aimed at destabilizing his advocacy. It is a smear campaign, therefore. Yes, he could have glossed over this, but ultimately here is a society that treats victims of violence with contempt. To call him a 'kid' is further proof that what he believes in is of far more importance to the OT, than realizing that he has the right to believe anything... including believing that the guns that almost killed him should be banned.
Um, you can't just post news like this and then not source it though, that's plagiarism.
The only part I didn't write myself was the quote, I can't plagiarize myself...
Not sure you understand what plagiarism is. By definition, plagiarism is any appropriation, including of information, ideas, thoughts, and then passing it as your own work. Unless you were there to report this on your own, you got this information from somewhere. This somewhere is your source, despite having written this in its entirety on your own.
Helloplite said: Nah, nothing bullyish about this really. The OTs consistence insistence on calling him a 'kid', is a thinly veiled attempt to diminish him even further. His marks, or college aspirations should have nothing to do with any of this at all. He was a victim of a shooting and it is his right to advocate against guns. This attack by a Republican is clearly aimed at destabilizing his advocacy. It is a smear campaign, therefore. Yes, he could have glossed over this, but ultimately here is a society that treats victims of violence with contempt. To call him a 'kid' is further proof that what he believes in is of far more importance to the OT, than realizing that he has the right to believe anything... including believing that the guns that almost killed him should be banned.
From a European ;)
The kid hasn't entered the world in any manner that gives him any experience to talk on these issues. There is nothing here to diminish, people who listen to ids with no life experience on matters that will effect their own lives is ridiculous not to mention the media use this KID as a propaganda tool on booth sides of the debate.
Also, I'm not sure you mean what plagiarism is not me, had I not included the wiki article I would not have needed to link to site rules here either. I've read dozens upon dozens of articles from many, many news sites to blogs and vlogs. Everything but the wiki article is my take on the matter hence no plagiarism. Unless I wrote it word for word, which I did not it is my own and no plagiarism took place as the OP is in my own words and the information is all in the public domain.
Are you sure about this? Being a victim of an attack is literally the best kind of experience one could have before talking about guns. Just like a sufferer of AIDS is the person to rely on about the experience of having AIDS. To diminish him by calling him a 'kid' is a blatant attempt to disregard his political opinions by falsely attempting to imply that his age belies a lack of understanding about the issue he is campaigning for. Experience is not a matter of age.
Here is the thing: This person is a survivor of a gun attack. His message is that "from personal experience, guns are bad". Your response to this is: "you are too young to have an opinion, grow some more". You throw his literal experience under the bus, only to then imply that his figurative 'experience' in the form of age is an important variable.
I have not been in a gun shooting, so I really have no clue. I trust that he does, and that's a sensible approach. I am not going to belittle him for his age, for his lack of education, or for failing to enter a top school. In fact, I am not going to belittle him at all. As a neutral observer from another continent, I watch American politics with much interest and amusement. It is clear to me that NRA and pro-gun activists seek to belittle him, yet you don't see it at the same time as you are doing it yourself.
On plagiarism: I am an academic, teaching at University. We could go on about this, but let me clarify that I am not accusing you of plagiarism here. You are clearly offering commentary on a series of news articles and wikipedia resources. Of course, this is not an academic setting and no one forces you to list every single resource you used... but let's not alter the meaning of the words here. The best course of practice is to list all primary and secondary source material used... but this is a forum so you are good to go as it is.
The word *sheeple* comes to mind (not just on the Hogg front, but the news woman too). Followers indeed.
I'm fully convinced at this point that social media has contributed more negative than positive and has caused humanity to actually DEvolve in some ways intellectually at least..
"We hold these truths to be self-evident - all men and women created by the, go-you know.. you know the thing!" - Joe Biden