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Forums - Nintendo - Will the Switch outsell the Wii?

Miyamotoo on 30 March 2018
quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

You were constatnyl negative about Switch even before Switch launch, but how Switch continue to sell good you have more positive look, but yet you said that Switch sales this year will fail over cliff even nothing pointing at that. Only real failure was Wii U, even GC didnt make succes for Nintendo, they still made profit with it, N64 sold 33m I dont think that could be called failure, and that relly dont matter when after all that they released their easily best selling home console and 3rd best selling home console ever. Offcourse that phone/tablet gaming affect on handheld sales, but you again ignoring fact that they had plans those even before Wii U launch beacuse they had huge problems in development because supporting two different platforms in same time, they had similar plans even before but technology wasn't yet there.

so you're saying if wiiu sold 100 million, they still would still unify the platforms? thing is technology is still not there yet, nintedo made huge sacrifices compared to a dedicated home console, most  third party games aren't being ported because the hardware is too weak, you are simply confirming that nintedo knows they can not compete with MS/sony in the home console market, and switch shows this by design.

Maybe, but they would go toward unifed platform and merged markets in any case, beacuse they would have huge problems in game development in case with supporting two different platforms in same time and beacuse now tehnology is mature enugh. Tehnology is there and Switch proves that, that dont have anuthing with Switch power compared to competition, Wii was even more underpowered compared to PS3/360 than Switch is compared to PS4/XB1, I dont see how that can be confirmation of anuting exept point that Nintendo has different strategy and goals compared to Sony and MS, with and Sony and MS all comes to who has higher specs.



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quickrick on 30 March 2018
Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

so you're saying if wiiu sold 100 million, they still would still unify the platforms? thing is technology is still not there yet, nintedo made huge sacrifices compared to a dedicated home console, most  third party games aren't being ported because the hardware is too weak, you are simply confirming that nintedo knows they can not compete with MS/sony in the home console market, and switch shows this by design.

Maybe, but they would go toward unifed platform and merged markets in any case, beacuse they would have huge problems in game development in case with supporting two different platforms in same time and beacuse now tehnology is mature enugh. Tehnology is there and Switch proves that, that dont have anuthing with Switch power compared to competition, Wii was even more underpowered compared to PS3/360 than Switch is compared to PS4/XB1, I dont see how that can be confirmation of anuting exept point that Nintendo has different strategy and goals compared to Sony and MS, with and Sony and MS all comes to who has higher specs.

thats the thing, nintendo can't afford to keep taking risks, they don't have a tried and true formula in the home console market like they do in the handheld market, where all they have to do is release a upgrade and it will do well enough, nintendo basically has to invent a new concept that could be hit or miss for there home console to be successful which is a huge risk.  



Miyamotoo on 30 March 2018
quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

Maybe, but they would go toward unifed platform and merged markets in any case, beacuse they would have huge problems in game development in case with supporting two different platforms in same time and beacuse now tehnology is mature enugh. Tehnology is there and Switch proves that, that dont have anuthing with Switch power compared to competition, Wii was even more underpowered compared to PS3/360 than Switch is compared to PS4/XB1, I dont see how that can be confirmation of anuting exept point that Nintendo has different strategy and goals compared to Sony and MS, with and Sony and MS all comes to who has higher specs.

thats the thing, nintendo can't afford to keep taking risks, they don't have a tried and true formula in the home console market like they do in the handheld market, where all they have to do is release a upgrade and it will do well enough, nintendo basically has to invent a new concept that could be hit or miss for there home console to be successful which is a huge risk.  

Nintendo cant afford taking risks!? :D 

Nintendo constantly risking, Virtual Boy, DS, Wii (dont forget that Wii come out after worst selling Nintendo console in that time and it was also quite big risk), 3DS, WiiU and now Switch (puting all eggs in one basket is definatly risk), are all risks, Nintendo is regularly risking with their concepts, ideas and hardwares. Sony or MS for comparison dont risk at all, they have constantly regular consoles.



Wyrdness on 30 March 2018
quickrick said:
Wyrdness said:

So you're saying many people in this forum haven't got a clue, many of them employed similar arguments about power and all, btw the Virtual Boy is a portable by them that failed.

might as well call ps4 slim a portable as well, when i mean portable i'm taking about a handheld. as for people who thought it would fail it was only based on price, they thought 299$ would be too expensive, but at 199-249$ the product was always gonna be a success, unless people ignore the past 4 generations of nintendo handhelds. 

What has another version of PS4 got to do with the VB? The VB is a failed portable.



quickrick on 30 March 2018
Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

thats the thing, nintendo can't afford to keep taking risks, they don't have a tried and true formula in the home console market like they do in the handheld market, where all they have to do is release a upgrade and it will do well enough, nintendo basically has to invent a new concept that could be hit or miss for there home console to be successful which is a huge risk.  

Nintendo cant afford taking risks!? :D 

Nintendo constantly risking, Virtual Boy, DS, Wii (dont forget that Wii come out after worst selling Nintendo console in that time and it was also quite big risk), 3DS, WiiU and now Switch (puting all eggs in one basket is definatly risk), are all risks, Nintendo is regularly risking with their concepts, ideas and hardwares. Sony or MS for comparison dont risk at all, they have constantly regular consoles.

i don't see any of those as big risks except for VB. wii came out because GC failed, simply releasing upgraded console like sony wasn't working for them, if wii failed nintendo would have quit home consoles right then and there. switch wasn't a risk at all, its a powerful handheld which is there bread and butter market, that can also be a weak home console, i don't see how that is a risk.  



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Miyamotoo on 30 March 2018
quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

Nintendo cant afford taking risks!? :D 

Nintendo constantly risking, Virtual Boy, DS, Wii (dont forget that Wii come out after worst selling Nintendo console in that time and it was also quite big risk), 3DS, WiiU and now Switch (puting all eggs in one basket is definatly risk), are all risks, Nintendo is regularly risking with their concepts, ideas and hardwares. Sony or MS for comparison dont risk at all, they have constantly regular consoles.

i don't see any of those as big risks except for VB. wii came out because GC failed, simply releasing upgraded console like sony wasn't working for them, if wii failed nintendo would have quit home consoles right then and there. switch wasn't a risk at all, its a powerful handheld which is there bread and butter market, that can also be a weak home console, i don't see how that is a risk.  

Offcourse you dont. But in reality VB was huge risk, DS with Dual Touch screen handheld compared to prevous handhelds is also huge risk, upgraded GC with motion controls after worst selling Nintendo console also huge risk (it could easily failed and Nintend wold have two fails in a row), actualy only 3DS isnt big risk beacuse its just 3D version of very popular DS, Wii U with tablet like controler big risk, Switch where Nintendo putting all their eggs in one basket is also risk (it had quite strong price for handheld, and high price point is reason why 3DS needed huge price cut in order to start selling, espacily beacuse it come out after worst selling Nintendo console ever).



Amnesia on 30 March 2018

I think it will be 100M+ even without technical upgrade. The Wii could reach this and was much more far under the power of the PS3 and XBOX360. Today it is different : ports looks nearly the same on the 3 machines if we neglect :
- 30fps instead fo 60
- 720/1080p instead of 1080/4K
- Less shadow/light/particules effects and lower rez textures

If somehow, Nintendo finds a way to propose a boosted switch which can still, allow everybody to play games on the 2 versions, it will reach 130-150M.
It was not so much a scandale that some games at the end of the N64 could only be used with the expansion pack.