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quickrick said:
Wyrdness said:

The market didn't shrink it went back to normal because DS like PS2 is an anomaly the device sold outside of gaming and even helped influence the iPhone while PSP had a similar case in how it sold with it being used as a portable emulator and homebrew device, compare the units moved to the GBA era where 80m units were sold and the GB era were 118m units you'll notice that the DS/PSP era is the odd one out as the the 3DS/Vita era's expected 94m units falls in line with every other portable era showing a consistency and even growth outside of the anomaly.

Read what you just said here you're talking about porting why are people going to buy 2 devices that share ports across them this highlights your lack of understanding in business the two devices sold because they had their own versions of exclusive franchises that's how the market works so each device wouldn't use porting it would require ground up development of exclusives this would mean 2 Zeldas, 2 3D Marios, 2 Metroids, 2 Animal Crossings etc... That's a massive resource drain to the point where one platform ended up suffering as development for portables is now the same as it is for consoles this is why Sony didn't even support PSP and that was during the era before your argued shrink, under this logic it's better to just have one device for both markets if you're going to have the same game for both that way you have one development cost, one manufacturing cost for a platform, singular marketing etc... They combined both because they can retain both markets with a single platform and user base while managing resources more efficiently.

Umm how was ps2 an anomaly? all 3 consoles combined  sold almost 200 million? the next gen right after ps4/360 sold around 180 million, and if nintendo had a traditional console it would have did 20-30 million, thats about the same as ps2 era, now his gen were probably looking 180 million with all 3 combined not including switch, so i'm not seeing anything similar compared to handhelds. the market for handhelds shrunk because of mobile gaming, and smart phones.

the lack of understanding of my  point  hurts my head. question if nintedo made the ps4, and had the 3ds as well, you think they would just combine the markets? basically giving the powerful dedicated home market to Microsoft? the reason nintendo combined markets is because that market is already saturated by Microsoft and sony, because thats where third party games  are established and sell consoles, if ps4 and Microsoft didn't exist you think nintedo would just combine markets, and then not make a powerful home console? then get real      

PS2 like DS had selling power outside of gaming for one in Japan it was selling as a cheap DVD player for the first few years you know what was the top PS2 seller back at launch in Japan? It was The Matrix dvd, Gen 7 with the PS3 and 360 is going from one platform that's an anomaly to a gen that's an anomaly as the combined total of gen 7 is 260m this gen is not even going to get near half of that under your own logic the market has shrunk and disappeared, gen 7 is the only gen in history where all 3 platforms did well.

Yes they've been trying to combine the markets since the SNES days which is why their consoles have had add ons to play portable games your head hurts because understanding business is not your strong point, they'd combined them with out Sony or MS being there as well in fact that would be more reason to as it saves resources, money by cutting out a tonne of costs and makes the market easier to manage, increases company efficiency it's you who should get real. Your chain of thought is hardware sales so money when Nintendo's business has always made the majority of their money on software this is why the GC brought in more money for Nintendo than the PS2 did for Sony despite the massive gap in sales their business model revolves around software which is a key reason two platforms drained resources and money with the ever increasing development cost, having one userbase on one platform to buy their software benefits this business approach far more as reducing the resource load by half alone increases what they can invest in and focus on.



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Wyrdness said:
quickrick said:

Umm how was ps2 an anomaly? all 3 consoles combined  sold almost 200 million? the next gen right after ps4/360 sold around 180 million, and if nintendo had a traditional console it would have did 20-30 million, thats about the same as ps2 era, now his gen were probably looking 180 million with all 3 combined not including switch, so i'm not seeing anything similar compared to handhelds. the market for handhelds shrunk because of mobile gaming, and smart phones.

the lack of understanding of my  point  hurts my head. question if nintedo made the ps4, and had the 3ds as well, you think they would just combine the markets? basically giving the powerful dedicated home market to Microsoft? the reason nintendo combined markets is because that market is already saturated by Microsoft and sony, because thats where third party games  are established and sell consoles, if ps4 and Microsoft didn't exist you think nintedo would just combine markets, and then not make a powerful home console? then get real      

PS2 like DS had selling power outside of gaming for one in Japan it was selling as a cheap DVD player for the first few years you know what was the top PS2 seller back at launch in Japan? It was The Matrix dvd, Gen 7 with the PS3 and 360 is going from one platform that's an anomaly to a gen that's an anomaly as the combined total of gen 7 is 260m this gen is not even going to get near half of that under your own logic the market has shrunk and disappeared, gen 7 is the only gen in history where all 3 platforms did well.

Yes they've been trying to combine the markets since the SNES days which is why their consoles have had add ons to play portable games your head hurts because understanding business is not your strong point, they'd combined them with out Sony or MS being there as well in fact that would be more reason to as it saves resources, money by cutting out a tonne of costs and makes the market easier to manage, increases company efficiency it's you who should get real. Your chain of thought is hardware sales so money when Nintendo's business has always made the majority of their money on software this is why the GC brought in more money for Nintendo than the PS2 did for Sony despite the massive gap in sales their business model revolves around software which is a key reason two platforms drained resources and money with the ever increasing development cost, having one userbase on one platform to buy their software benefits this business approach far more as reducing the resource load by half alone increases what they can invest in and focus on.

this gen will do 190 million, so i have no clue what you are talking about, not getting to half. obviously the motion controls fad era has disappeared, ps4 willl do 120-130 million, not really that far off from ps2.

Well thats just laughable to me that you actually think this. it would be the equivalent of sony making a switch like device for ps5 and giving the dedicated home console market to Microsoft which is  huge and the stupidest move they could make , it's make 0 sense, and you actually tell me that i don't understood how business work, i'm done this aint going anywhere. nintendo has been wanting to stop competing with MS/sony since the wii came out, thats why they stopped making powerful hardware, as they figured they can't compete after the GC.

Last edited by quickrick - on 29 March 2018

quickrick said:

this gen will do 190 million, so i have no clue what you are talking about, not getting to half. obviously the motion controls fad era has disappeared, ps4 willl do 120-130 million, not really that far off from ps2.

Well thats just laughable to me that you actually think this. it would be the equivalent of sony making a switch like device for ps5 and giving the dedicated home console market to Microsoft which is  huge and the stupidest move they could make , it's make 0 sense, and you actually tell me that i don't understood how business work, i'm done this aint going anywhere. nintendo has been wanting to stop competing with MS/sony since the wii came out, thats why they stopped making powerful hardware, as they figured they can't compete after the GC.

No dude your guessing PS4 will do 120-130m doesn't mean it will happen as it would need to sell another 50m in its twilight years that's not a concrete argument for your stance.

This part highlights how business is not your forte and you're out of your league you firstly pick Sony as your example who employ a different market strategy and are a different market situation secondly you struggle to understand a Switch like device is a home console as well it's a gaming device that people use to match their preferred experience a hybrid is not separate from the dedicated console market, you're trying to argue business yet don't even understand product concept. To further highlight how out your depth you are here if Sony made a switch like device you really think third parties are not going to be on board especially eastern developers just as well you're done as business is not your strong point.  Nintendo did what they've always done with the Wii they did things their own way you can tell yourself Switch isn't competing until the Sun burns out but the truth says otherwise as it's taking market share, it's receiving third party games to the point it has games announced for it that even X1 isn't getting despite the game also being bound for PS4.

What Switch does is twofold it solves the resource and segmented userbase and market problem for Nintendo while for the competition it forces them to indirectly compete with the parallel portable market no matter what they do had the been another portable competitor it would have force it to compete with the home console market indirectly as well.



Wyrdness said:
quickrick said:

this gen will do 190 million, so i have no clue what you are talking about, not getting to half. obviously the motion controls fad era has disappeared, ps4 willl do 120-130 million, not really that far off from ps2.

Well thats just laughable to me that you actually think this. it would be the equivalent of sony making a switch like device for ps5 and giving the dedicated home console market to Microsoft which is  huge and the stupidest move they could make , it's make 0 sense, and you actually tell me that i don't understood how business work, i'm done this aint going anywhere. nintendo has been wanting to stop competing with MS/sony since the wii came out, thats why they stopped making powerful hardware, as they figured they can't compete after the GC.

No dude your guessing PS4 will do 120-130m doesn't mean it will happen as it would need to sell another 50m in its twilight years that's not a concrete argument for your stance.

This part highlights how business is not your forte and you're out of your league you firstly pick Sony as your example who employ a different market strategy and are a different market situation secondly you struggle to understand a Switch like device is a home console as well it's a gaming device that people use to match their preferred experience a hybrid is not separate from the dedicated console market, you're trying to argue business yet don't even understand product concept. To further highlight how out your depth you are here if Sony made a switch like device you really think third parties are not going to be on board especially eastern developers just as well you're done as business is not your strong point.  Nintendo did what they've always done with the Wii they did things their own way you can tell yourself Switch isn't competing until the Sun burns out but the truth says otherwise as it's taking market share, it's receiving third party games to the point it has games announced for it that even X1 isn't getting despite the game also being bound for PS4.

What Switch does is twofold it solves the resource and segmented userbase and market problem for Nintendo while for the competition it forces them to indirectly compete with the parallel portable market no matter what they do had the been another portable competitor it would have force it to compete with the home console market indirectly as well.

you keep repeating yourself just stop. you have no clue about business , stop acting like it. i already know switch is a home console as well, but it's not a dedicated home consoles, it's features don't match a dedicated home console. if sony made a switch like device it would be dead, as everyone who wants a powerful home console which is what sony is catering to would buy a xbox, xbox sales would sky rocket and sony would be screwed as well as third partys not being happy as they prefer powerful consoles.



The wii really slowed down at some point when the gimmick lost its initial hype factor.

the switch won't lose its appeal, because its appeal is mostly portability.

I think the switch will outsell the wii.




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quickrick said:

you keep repeating yourself just stop. you have no clue about business , stop acting like it. i already know switch is a home console as well, but it's not a dedicated home consoles, it's features don't match a dedicated home console. if sony made a switch like device it would be dead, as everyone who wants a powerful home console which is what sony is catering to would buy a xbox, xbox sales would sky rocket and sony would be screwed as well as third partys not being happy as they prefer powerful consoles.

You mean the same way the Switch itself was meant to be dead oh right that platform took off like a rocket and is selling on par with PS4 and getting good support looks like business doesn't dance to your logic then again I don't think many things do.



Wyrdness said:
quickrick said:

you keep repeating yourself just stop. you have no clue about business , stop acting like it. i already know switch is a home console as well, but it's not a dedicated home consoles, it's features don't match a dedicated home console. if sony made a switch like device it would be dead, as everyone who wants a powerful home console which is what sony is catering to would buy a xbox, xbox sales would sky rocket and sony would be screwed as well as third partys not being happy as they prefer powerful consoles.

You mean the same way the Switch itself was meant to be dead oh right that platform took off like a rocket and is selling on par with PS4 and getting good support looks like business doesn't dance to your logic then again I don't think many things do.

anybody who said switch would be dead had no clue what there talking about, when has a nintendo handheld ever failed? and with this being the best one they made, and it's ability to be a home console as well, it's guaranteed to start out strong. anyway switch is no longer selling on par with ps4, it will be behind 2 million by next month, its more on par with 3ds.

Last edited by quickrick - on 30 March 2018

quickrick said:
Wyrdness said:

You mean the same way the Switch itself was meant to be dead oh right that platform took off like a rocket and is selling on par with PS4 and getting good support looks like business doesn't dance to your logic then again I don't think many things do.

anybody who said switch would be dead had no clue what there talking about, when has a nintendo handheld ever failed? and with this being the best one they made, and it's ability to be a home console as well, it's guaranteed to start out strong. anyway switch is no longer selling on par with ps4, it will be behind 2 million be next month, its more on par with 3ds.

So you're saying many people in this forum haven't got a clue, many of them employed similar arguments about power and all, btw the Virtual Boy is a portable by them that failed.



Wyrdness said:
quickrick said:

anybody who said switch would be dead had no clue what there talking about, when has a nintendo handheld ever failed? and with this being the best one they made, and it's ability to be a home console as well, it's guaranteed to start out strong. anyway switch is no longer selling on par with ps4, it will be behind 2 million be next month, its more on par with 3ds.

So you're saying many people in this forum haven't got a clue, many of them employed similar arguments about power and all, btw the Virtual Boy is a portable by them that failed.

might as well call ps4 slim a portable as well, when i mean portable i'm taking about a handheld. as for people who thought it would fail it was only based on price, they thought 299$ would be too expensive, but at 199-249$ the product was always gonna be a success, unless people ignore the past 4 generations of nintendo handhelds. 



Switch will outsell Wii because Nintendo wants to support the platform much longer than the usual console cycle. So this will include hardware revisions and probably varying price models for everything from a handheld only Switch to a more powerful unit closer to the PS4 spec wise.