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Lawlight on 16 March 2018
Alkibiádēs said:
Lawlight said:

Indie games do tend to get bigger scores. Ever wondered why then we never see them get game of the year awards? Because their scores aren’t comparable to bigger games’ scores. How many people would think that Celeste is better than Bloodborne, for example?

And Switch had more high scoring games - what’s your cutoff there? And I am assuming that you’re counting all the ports and the WiiU games that were pushed back for the Switch?

Because gaming outlets are sponsored by big publishers. There's not much money to be made from declaring an indie "game of the year".

Just look at the Oscars for animation, studio ghibli movies barely stand a chance despite their critical acclaim. It's almost always won by some Disney or Pixar flick.

And I think Celeste is better than Bloodborne, and I'm sure there are more people who think alike.

So, if gaming outlets arw sponsored by big publishers, why aren’t those big publishers’ games getting higher scores?

Celeste has a 7.1 user score on metacritic vs Bloodborne’s 8.9. You may like Celeste more but you’re in the minority of people who would pick Celeste if given the choice of either Celeste or Bloodborne coming to their platform of choice.

And I don’t watch the Oscars.



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Megiddo on 16 March 2018

I'd say that if the person is not motivated enough to actively read the posts in the thread then they don't merit any sort of meaningful discussion. A thread is to be read in full, not just when somebody quotes you.



zorg1000 on 16 March 2018
Lawlight said:
zorg1000 said:
I find it funny how there is always an excuse why a game does well on Switch.

Always an excuse? It’s a reason, not an excuse and it’s the same reason every time when it comes to smaller games.

Nah, its an excuse. You will always find some way to downplay the success of any game that does well on a Nintendo platform.



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Alkibiádēs on 16 March 2018
Lawlight said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Because gaming outlets are sponsored by big publishers. There's not much money to be made from declaring an indie "game of the year".

Just look at the Oscars for animation, studio ghibli movies barely stand a chance despite their critical acclaim. It's almost always won by some Disney or Pixar flick.

And I think Celeste is better than Bloodborne, and I'm sure there are more people who think alike.

So, if gaming outlets arw sponsored by big publishers, why aren’t those big publishers’ games getting higher scores?

Celeste has a 7.1 user score on metacritic vs Bloodborne’s 8.9. You may like Celeste more but you’re in the minority of people who would pick Celeste if given the choice of either Celeste or Bloodborne coming to their platform of choice.

And I don’t watch the Oscars.

Celeste has an 8.2 userscore on the most reviewed version (but no surprise you always cherry pick information to suit your goals).

Since when are we using userscores on metacritic anyway? They hold no value as anyone can give a score to a game, even if you didn't buy it.

Besides, there are many indie games that outsold Bloodborne, why are you using that game as an example?

And to answer your questions: there are a lot of gaming outlets, not all of them get paid by big publishers, but the one's that do are the outlets who declare "GOTY".

Did you ever take a look who's behind The Game Awards (the GOTY award that receives the most attention)? I'm quoting wikipedia here: 

 "Instead, Keighley worked with several entities within the industry, including console hardware manufacturers Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, and several large publishers, to financially back and craft a new awards show, the Game Awards, with Spike's blessing.[6] Keighley was able to secure space for hosting the live event. Without a broadcaster, Keighley and the entities agreed to stream the live show on the consoles' networks and on Valve Corporation's Steam service, as to be able to reach a much larger audience than Spike TV previously had.[5] Since then, Keighley has been able to secure multiple streaming services around the globe for the show, which has been a move appreciated by several of the Game Awards' partners since the show's inception."[7]



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Megiddo on 16 March 2018

RolStoppable said:

Megiddo said:
I'd say that if the person is not motivated enough to actively read the posts in the thread then they don't merit any sort of meaningful discussion. A thread is to be read in full, not just when somebody quotes you.

Usually when somebody doesn't use the Quote button, it's because they know that Itheir argument is weak, but want to appear as if they got the last word in.

That's odd. You don't seem to understand how actual debate works. The strength of one's argument has nothing to do with whether or not they repeat the opposing argument verbatim before beginning their own. 

Do you truly believe that someone who is too lazy to read a thread's content has any possible standing in potential debates about the thread's content?



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ironmanDX on 16 March 2018

11 copies sold confirmed?



Jranation on 16 March 2018
Megiddo said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Stop trying to turn this into console wars and act like the PS4 is better because it sells more "big boy" games. It's condescending and far from the truth.

This thread's title inherently invokes a console war. A dime-a-dozen 2-d platformer has 10 times more preorders on the Switch than the PS4. I mean, the obviously reaction is a "Duh!" That's the Switch's bread-and-butter. It's hardly thread-worthy particularly since the game looks so bad. Make it about Owlboy as that's an actually good 2-d platformer. I'll be curious to see how it does on PS4 in a few months.

How else would you name this thread? Because that is what the Tweet is saying. 



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The_Yoda on 16 March 2018
Megiddo said:
I'd say that if the person is not motivated enough to actively read the posts in the thread then they don't merit any sort of meaningful discussion. A thread is to be read in full, not just when somebody quotes you.

So I assume that means each time you re-open a thread you start reading from page 1.  Either that or you just like being difficult.  If you can't be bothered to hit a different button than reply I suppose you no longer merit my attention.  Enjoy "your way or the highway" I was only trying to be helpful. bye



Lawlight on 16 March 2018
Alkibiádēs said:
Lawlight said:

So, if gaming outlets arw sponsored by big publishers, why aren’t those big publishers’ games getting higher scores?

Celeste has a 7.1 user score on metacritic vs Bloodborne’s 8.9. You may like Celeste more but you’re in the minority of people who would pick Celeste if given the choice of either Celeste or Bloodborne coming to their platform of choice.

And I don’t watch the Oscars.

Celeste has an 8.2 userscore on the most reviewed version (but no surprise you always cherry pick information to suit your goals).

Since when are we using userscores on metacritic anyway? They hold no value as anyone can give a score to a game, even if you didn't buy it.

Besides, there are many indie games that outsold Bloodborne, why are you using that game as an example?

And to answer your questions: there are a lot of gaming outlets, not all of them get paid by big publishers, but the one's that do are the outlets who declare "GOTY".

Did you ever take a look who's behind The Game Awards (the GOTY award that receives the most attention)? I'm quoting wikipedia here: 

 "Instead, Keighley worked with several entities within the industry, including console hardware manufacturers Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, and several large publishers, to financially back and craft a new awards show, the Game Awards, with Spike's blessing.[6] Keighley was able to secure space for hosting the live event. Without a broadcaster, Keighley and the entities agreed to stream the live show on the consoles' networks and on Valve Corporation's Steam service, as to be able to reach a much larger audience than Spike TV previously had.[5] Since then, Keighley has been able to secure multiple streaming services around the globe for the show, which has been a move appreciated by several of the Game Awards' partners since the show's inception."[7]

No, I'm just comparing scores of the games on the same platform - the PS4.

Many indies outsold Bloodborne but, really, not many. It's just an example. Pick Uncharted 4 if you wish.

There's a good reason why Sony doesn't showcase indies anymore and focus on the bigger games - that strategy helped them looking at the PS4's success. And here are some interesting stats for you:

https://www.mcvuk.com/development/average-indie-game-steam-sales-halve-yearonyear

And I'm talking about the individual outlets, not The Game Awards. They might score indie games higher (because they are in their own category) but they're not good enough to win awards.



KLAMarine on 16 March 2018
Megiddo said:
I'd say that if the person is not motivated enough to actively read the posts in the thread then they don't merit any sort of meaningful discussion. A thread is to be read in full, not just when somebody quotes you.

I'm asking you to use the 'quote' button. The 'quote' button is there for a reason. You're asking me to read an entire thread and potentially respond to a post that might not have been meant for me...

I'm detecting an imbalance...