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I think...

Free speech laws should be upheld by region 2 9.52%
 
Free speech laws the site... 0 0%
 
Speech should be as free as the sites rules 11 52.38%
 
Speech should be up allow... 4 19.05%
 
There should be no speech... 3 14.29%
 
Comments/indifferent.... 1 4.76%
 
Total:21

I think its just BS.

I can understand moderation with regards to hate talk or trolling or to curb overly bias and intrusive fanboyism as that prevents threads or topics from derailing and degenerating. But to outright restrict people from mentioning lr talking about of speaking positively of something is literally abuse of power.



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Flilix said:
o_O.Q said:

what is hate speech?

i've been hearing recently, for example, that refusing to accept that a trans woman is the same as a biological woman is hate speech, would you agree with that?

No, I don't. But sites are free to censor whatever they want. If a site owner thinks that this shouldn't be allowed, he's completely free to ban that user.

But on top of these own rules, sites should also follow some basic general rules. Hate speech can be dangerous, espacially if someone's encouraging others to spread hate too. If someone writes something like "Jews are inferior people and they deserved being killed in the Holocaust", I think it's the responsibility of the site owner to do something about that.

i agree that private sites should be free to do whatever they want, but i'm skeptical about the idea of hate speech because its now being used to push delusion onto people across a variety of topics including the example i gave



John2290 said:
VGPolyglot said:

In this post right here you mention wanting to destroy the planet

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8732007

Spoilers bro, spoilers. No planets were detroyed in the completion of hatred ^^

But a lot of people were killed.



VGPolyglot said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

Ok I just checked a review of that game. The main character is a psychopath that murders everyone he encounters in the street.

In what universe do you think I have even remotely anything to do with such a person?

In this post right here you mention wanting to destroy the planet

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8732007

Oh I see, guilty as charged I guess

But in my defense you said "with all of my posts on this site" and this is just one guilty post. 99.9% of my posts do not mention the destruction of this planet.

Also I admit wanting to destroy this planet, I even mailed CERN demanding in a threatening manner that they provide me with large quantities of anti-matter so that I could carry out my nefarious plans of destroying this world. But I must say they never came through for my evil demands and I never got a reply from them. This shows that you cannot count on CERN to obtain anti-matter should you ever wish to destroy mankind. They're not very reliable people I must say.

So I'm in a bit of a pickle as I have no other means of obtaining anti-matter and as a consequence I am stuck here with all 7 billion humans and so I must somehow make do with the rest of you folks. And since I cannot destroy this planet I am not guilty of the act and thus I cannot be held responsible for it and punished. Though one could argue that me being stuck on this planet is punishment in and of itself.

So that's the story of my evil endeavors, in the end it's just a dud.



Within the topic of the site, yes.  For example, if it is a Gaming site called GAMES4US or something, then unless there is a forum built to accommodate other topics of conversation, then all the topics should be focused toward games discussion.  Also, there should be no non-productive discussion directed against the site or product that the site supports.  Such as, "GAMES4US sucks and shouldn't exist." 



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Hmm. This is a very interesting topic and politicians should probably discuss this in the near future. The waters are already muddy and precedent is being set without any discussion. This is a complex issue and a simple answer yes or no is unlikely.

Here's my suggestion. Extend freedom of speech to cover any website or online service when they have a monopoly within in its market and there's no viable alternative to it. When they're that big, they're almost a utility. They have too much control and influence, that they shouldn't be left unregulated in regards to freedom of speech. If they become ideologically driven, they can influence culture and censor their opposition. That would be as bad as if that happened with the news. I'm basically saying they couldn't ban, hide users from other people or censor anyone unless they promote or incite violence. 

1. For the ones saying that companies are privately owned and can deny service  to whoever they want, that's false. That line has been crossed already. Companies can't discriminate. Might as well extend that to cover words.

https://aclu-co.org/court-rules-bakery-illegally-discriminated-against-gay-couple/

2. We already regulate industries that are so big that they can affect everything  like phone, power, water, oil, food, medicine, etc. More importantly, ISPs (which people want more regulation for) are already regulated. Might as well start protecting freedom of speech on the big social media while we can.

3. The EU is already trying to impose regulations on social media in regards to "hate speech". Hate speech is anything that's offensive to the ones who have control of the culture. Remember me saying something about being ideologically driven....  http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/technology/hate-speech-facebook-twitter-europe/index.html

4. In the US, offensive speech is protected along with the other kinds. Because of that, the US should be the ones setting the global standard on this and not the EU.



Aeolus451 said:

3. The EU is already trying to impose regulations on social media in regards to "hate speech". Hate speech is anything that's offensive to the ones who have control of the culture. Remember me saying something about being ideologically driven....  http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/technology/hate-speech-facebook-twitter-europe/index.html

First that twisting never ending highway in your sig is offensive to the laws... of physics so I demand you'd be arrested and tortured and executed for hate speech towards physics or something

And Second, as an example, beheadings are part of the Saudi Arabian culture of punishing criminals and I oppose such a barbaric procedure so technically and according to the EU rules you mentioned, I am doing hate speech towards the Saudi Arabian culture of punishment cause I strongly criticize their methods which if Saudis knew about my opinion, could be offended by it. Therefore the EU should do what? Fine me? Imprison me?

If true these EU rules are in my opinion so very wrong.

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CrazyGamer2017 said:
Aeolus451 said:

3. The EU is already trying to impose regulations on social media in regards to "hate speech". Hate speech is anything that's offensive to the ones who have control of the culture. Remember me saying something about being ideologically driven....  http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/technology/hate-speech-facebook-twitter-europe/index.html

First that twisting never ending highway in your sig is offensive to the laws... of physics so I demand you'd be arrested and tortured and executed for hate speech towards physics or something

And Second, as an example, beheadings are part of the Saudi Arabian culture of punishing criminals and I oppose such a barbaric procedure so technically and according to the EU rules you mentioned, I am doing hate speech towards the Saudi Arabian culture of punishment cause I strongly criticize their methods which if Saudis knew about my opinion, could be offended by it. Therefore the EU should do what? Fine me? Imprison me?

If true these EU rules are in my opinion so very wrong.

I love my sig. I just want stare at it sometimes.

 Here's how bad it could be. A guy in Ireland made a joke video on youtube with his pug called "nazi pug" and he was arrested over it. He's still in court over it and he could face a year or more in jail over it. The joke is offensive or edgy but it's not hateful or done with malicious intent.   I'm not certain if that's strictly an Ireland law or EU law but the UK is still part of the EU and has to follow EU laws. Also from what I understand,  European countries have similar laws anyway. I suggest you look up that vid if you haven't seen it. It's NSFW btw.



Complex issue. There isn't really a right answer to it. Everyone has their own limits of free speech.

I mean I hate that Patreon puts limits on certain sexual content but I'm also glad that it isn't giving violent racists a platform.



If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

No. Absolutely not.

This isn't an issue where you are being repressed because you have the option to go somewhere else and, if that fails, create your own forum. You are not entitled to do as you please on someone else's property.

When we're talking about a business, placing further laws and regulations, especially when it's an incredibly murky area to begin with, does nothing but add bureaucracy and arbitrary rulings by said bureaucracy.

The more I think about it, it's a really a very awful idea that would lead to countless headaches.