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o_O.Q on 23 February 2018
PSintend0 said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"don´t realize that they don´t really need any reason to treat others like poop. "

how does acknowledging that, for example, black people have a different appearance to white people equate to treating anyone like poop?

are you fucking serious?

No need to be angry. I am not here to say if someone is or isn´t racist. I don´t think I have enough info for that.

Racism usually equates treating some spesific others badly and using a skin color/false biological race is just an excuse and something that is taught to many people along with the whole concept of race. Acknowledging that people come in different colors, shapes, abilities, personalities, genders, backgrounds, cultures, genes, etc. is fine. People generally have a different appearance to each other, its nothing special.

"Its just an excuse to justify hate and feel that you are better than others."

can you quote the post where anybody said anything about hating a particular race or being better than a particular race?

Why? Should posts be only about what others posted? Mine was about what was discussed, not directly about any posts.

Race and racism go side by side and I think that racism often includes hating and thinking that some "races" are better than others.

look, acknowledging that certain groups of people look different to others is not hateful

to me its just acknowledging reality, some people choose to take it in the direction of hate, but that's sperate from simply acknowledging that there are physical differences

i apologise for the harsh language, but it annoys me when people throw terms like "racist" around so casually, since the general idea is that a racist is someone motivated by hate of certain groups of people, which as i said above is separate from just acknowledging that there are physical differences



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sundin13 on 23 February 2018
o_O.Q said:

"So you think that we should maintain race as a broad classification system in schools because people will use it to describe people anyways?"

lol i love how you took a general conversation and to run away from the point you specified it down to a level i was not addressing

 

"Then why the big fuss about the use of race in schools? I am not arguing against the use of words, I am arguing against the reification of them. If you don't believe that any harm will come from this regulation, why complain about it?"

same answer as above

I suppose I'll reiterate the original point I was making several pages ago, because this conversation has completely gone off the rails and I have no idea what we are talking about anymore:

Race lacks broad relevance as a classification system. As such, it should not be used as a classifier alongside broadly relevant variables such as age. That does not mean that physical characteristics cannot be used in describing an individual. What it does mean is generally two things: One, that grouping outside of those directly observable characteristics should not be performed in a broad setting (meaning that when such characteristics are not directly relevant, they should not be used by grouping by systems and institutions);  two, it should not be used as a classification outside of the specific contexts where it holds relevance (note: classification systems are distinct from observations. This means that we should not assume things about an individual based on these characteristics as we would with characteristics such as age (other than those characteristics which are self evident)).

I have to assume that this will find a way to be misunderstood, but I've explained my point as clearly as I can.



JWeinCom on 23 February 2018
RolStoppable said:
JWeinCom said:

It means that when filling out a form, students enter their own race.  If the school questions it, they can consult with the student's parents.

I am not sure if you are trying to deceive me...

7.4 All students enrolled in a Delaware public school may self-identify gender or race which is maintained in eSchoolPLUS.

7.4.1 A school may request permission from the parent or legal guardian of a minor student before a selfidentified gender or race is accepted; provided, however, that prior to requesting the permission from a parent or legal guardian, the school should consult and work closely with the student to assess the degree to which, if any, the parent or legal guardian is aware of the Protected Characteristic and is supportive of the student, and the school shall take into consideration the safety, health and well-being of the student in deciding whether to request permission from the parent or legal guardian.

This is the full text of the law, or the relevant section.  That's my best interpretation of it.



PSintend0 on 23 February 2018
fatslob-:O said:
o_O.Q said:

can you quote the post where anybody said anything about hating a particular race or being better than a particular race?

Cognitive dissonance, he probably keeps assuming that we're a bunch of white supremacists from stormfront (I'm not even caucasian) running around trying to promote racism

No, a point worth noting is that racism and believing in things that are not true (like biological races for humans) is not in my mind linked to skin color (white, black or any).

even though we're just sharing research papers published in scientific journals while he keeps searching up some babble

Like these babble thingies:

Genome-wide analysis of single nucleotide polymorphism uncovers population structure in northern europe http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0003519

  The Myth of Race: The Troubling Persistence of an Unscientific Idea by Robert Wald Sussman. Copyright © 2014 by the President and Fellows of Harvard College. Used by permission. All rights reserved http://www.newsweek.com/there-no-such-thing-race-283123


on google then goes off to try and disprove us by showing an article centered around sociology (this subject should be banned permanently in science discussions and is a perfect example of why a growing field of study should not be politically affiliated ever) ... 

We don't need evolution deniers and we especially don't need race deniers ... (it makes liberals look ironic how they try to fight against racism from a rational perspective when they clearly don't like discussing a certain branch of science very much such as genetics when it doesn't favour their position like they always want it to conform to their beliefs so instead they should seek to combat racism in other ways such as ethical or even emotional grounds since they aren't interested in being intellectually honest about it)

I would like to think that race or evolution denying isn´t thing for the liberals, but if it is good for them ;) The social and historical structure of race was and is at least partly build to bring others down and elevate others (justifying slavery etc.). The biological race is not a thing for humans as is commonly known today and was already stated 1950 by the scientific community.

No scientist should ever want to concern itself up against the antics of politics or ethics and instead should always focus on ways of collecting good data ... (don't need scientists to constantly combat theism either)

I don´t know if you are just joking or do you still really believe that humans have biological races? If so I recommend you to read some scientific articles, by the way you can use google to find them :)


JWeinCom on 23 February 2018
RolStoppable said:
JWeinCom said:

7.4 All students enrolled in a Delaware public school may self-identify gender or race which is maintained in eSchoolPLUS.

7.4.1 A school may request permission from the parent or legal guardian of a minor student before a selfidentified gender or race is accepted; provided, however, that prior to requesting the permission from a parent or legal guardian, the school should consult and work closely with the student to assess the degree to which, if any, the parent or legal guardian is aware of the Protected Characteristic and is supportive of the student, and the school shall take into consideration the safety, health and well-being of the student in deciding whether to request permission from the parent or legal guardian.

This is the full text of the law, or the relevant section.  That's my best interpretation of it.

That sounds reasonable. But it still leaves an important question unanswered.

Is there really a blood type O in the United States or is that merely the perception of someone who has only ever heard blood type 0 (zero) pronounced as O?


It does indeed sound reasonable.  Anytime I asked anyone for a better method to report race, I've been ignored.


I would say my blood type is O (said like Oh) positive.

But, if there was a football game and the score was 17-0 I might say "The score was seventeen oh.  If something cost one dollar and nine cents I would say "that's one oh nine.  

But, while I might say "I have zero dollars in my bank account" I would never say "I have oh dollars in my bank account.

So, O(oh) and 0 (zero) are sometimes used interchangeably.



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PSintend0 on 23 February 2018
o_O.Q said:
PSintend0 said:

look, acknowledging that certain groups of people look different to others is not hateful

to me its just acknowledging reality, some people choose to take it in the direction of hate, but that's sperate from simply acknowledging that there are physical differences

i apologise for the harsh language, but it annoys me when people throw terms like "racist" around so casually, since the general idea is that a racist is someone motivated by hate of certain groups of people, which as i said above is separate from just acknowledging that there are physical differences

My point being that people are different in many ways and some of them are more easily seen than others.

Of course its not hateful to have eyes that can see.

What should be remembered is that people are more alike regardless of skin color, height, place of birth etc.

Individual being more similar to different population as a whole than to individuals of the same population, making differences being more about between individuals than populations.



JWeinCom on 23 February 2018
RolStoppable said:
JWeinCom said:

It does indeed sound reasonable.  Anytime I asked anyone for a better method to report race, I've been ignored.


I would say my blood type is O (said like Oh) positive.

But, if there was a football game and the score was 17-0 I might say "The score was seventeen oh.  If something cost one dollar and nine cents I would say "that's one oh nine.  

But, while I might say "I have zero dollars in my bank account" I would never say "I have oh dollars in my bank account.

So, O(oh) and 0 (zero) are sometimes used interchangeably.

I am aware that "zero" gets shortened to "oh" in the English language, but your elaborate explanation didn't really answer my question. Reframed:

1. Is it blood type O?
2. Is it blood type 0?

Americans don't use the metric system, but please, at least have it be blood type 0 (option 2 above).

I usually say it, not write it, and I would say oh positive.  But, if I were typing it, I'd use the letter key and not the number one, if that answers your question.



sundin13 on 23 February 2018
RolStoppable said:
JWeinCom said:

It does indeed sound reasonable.  Anytime I asked anyone for a better method to report race, I've been ignored.


I would say my blood type is O (said like Oh) positive.

But, if there was a football game and the score was 17-0 I might say "The score was seventeen oh.  If something cost one dollar and nine cents I would say "that's one oh nine.  

But, while I might say "I have zero dollars in my bank account" I would never say "I have oh dollars in my bank account.

So, O(oh) and 0 (zero) are sometimes used interchangeably.

I am aware that "zero" gets shortened to "oh" in the English language, but your elaborate explanation didn't really answer my question. Reframed:

1. Is it blood type O?
2. Is it blood type 0?

Americans don't use the metric system, but please, at least have it be blood type 0 (option 2 above).

Where I'm from in America, it is blood type O, not blood type 0.

I'm sorry to disappoint. 



PSintend0 on 23 February 2018

1. Is it blood type O?
2. Is it blood type 0?

I´m not from America and the way I learned it was that its really 0, but in common lanquage its way more often O and that basicly nobody says blood type zero.



JWeinCom on 23 February 2018
PSintend0 said:
1. Is it blood type O?
2. Is it blood type 0?

I´m not from America and the way I learned it was that its really 0, but in common lanquage its way more often O and that basicly nobody says blood type zero.

I get why it would be 0 for zero antigens, but the other two types are A and B, so it just seemed like they should all be letters.  Never really thought about it till now.