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Forums - Sales Discussion - December 2017 NPD Thread! Switch 1.5m, XBO 1.365m, PS4 1.08m, Xenoblade 280k

Jaxyfoo on 18 January 2018

Those estimated vg numbers will be changed to the real numbers you are seeing today. The guys do a good enough job using data to reach good enough approximations. They aren't in a position to point sales like npd and the other guys, but by the same measure anybody can see those numbers for free, instead of having to pay $20k pa. To choose to follow estimates because they might fit an agenda or whatever, instead of close to actual numbers seems like an argument to me.



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Barkley on 18 January 2018
zorg1000 said:

Good catch, so PS4 & NSW are probably right about the same.

Well here's what we know.

Switch.

NPD - 1.5m (5 weeks) (November 26th to December 30th)
Japan - 915k (5 weeks) (November 26th to December 30th)

PS4:

NPD - 1.08m (5 weeks) (November 26th to December 30th)
Japan - 300k (5 weeks) (November 26th to December 30th)
Global - 3m (4 weeks) (December 3rd to December 30th)

So we know ps4 in Europe + Rest of World sold over 1.62m because we need to take into account the extra week missing from the global figure, so let's add in what VGC has for Week Ending December 2nd for EU/RoW, which is 524k.

So...

PS4: (5 weeks, November 26th to December 30th)

NPD - 1.08m
Japan - 300k
EU + RoW - 2.14m
Global - 3.52m

Switch:  (5 weeks, November 26th to December 30th)

NPD - 1.5m
Japan - 915k
EU + RoW - ???
Global - ???

If the Switch has sold roughly over 1.1m in EU+RoW it won global sales for december, or rather the 5 week period.



zorg1000 on 18 January 2018
Aeolus451 said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

For the last time.

VGChartz numbers ARE NOTHING.

We have official estimate of Switch outselling PS4 by 420K in USA, and 1.12 million in Japan. That's alone is 1.56 million gap. To this, add the fact that:

Switch has probabily outsold PS4 in Canada, France, and maybe South Korea? It was launch month for Switch, and we know it sold very good (110k), so is definitively possible it beat PS4 in December in that market.

 

How is PS4 gonna close such a huge gap like that? Swicth has 99.999% outsold PS4 in December worldwide.

You can't dismiss vgchartz numbers when we're on the site's forum. It's not an argument.

you can when you have better sources.



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Aeolus451 on 18 January 2018
zorg1000 said:
Aeolus451 said:

You can't dismiss vgchartz numbers when we're on the site's forum. It's not an argument.

you can when you have better sources.

There's nothing else that tracks ww so there's no other sources except for estimates for a few areas. In this instance, it's more likely that the ps4 won dec ww that the ns.



Pinkie_pie on 18 January 2018

so xbox one won the holidays. all 3 did well



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peachbuggy on 18 January 2018
Aeolus451 said:
zorg1000 said:

you can when you have better sources.

There's nothing else that tracks ww so there's no other sources except for estimates for a few areas. In this instance, it's more likely that the ps4 won dec ww that the ns.

See the earlier post. 1.1m in Europe/ROW in 5 weeks is certainly doable. We know 110k can already be chalked off for SK. That leaves just shy of 1m for the rest of the region.



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hunter_alien on 18 January 2018
OTBWY said:
hunter_alien said:

Came more than one hour after my post and there were literally over 50 posts before mine. So yeah, I think that I was still fairly spot on

What a well built up argument and fantastic post! This is one of the reason why you are my favorite member on VGC and a prime example why this forum is not dieing.



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quickrick on 18 January 2018
Aeolus451 said:
zorg1000 said:

you can when you have better sources.

There's nothing else that tracks ww so there's no other sources except for estimates for a few areas. In this instance, it's more likely that the ps4 won dec ww that the ns.

its better just to use official WW sell through or shipment numbers. 



zorg1000 on 18 January 2018
Barkley said:
zorg1000 said:

Good catch, so PS4 & NSW are probably right about the same.

Well here's what we know.

Switch.

NPD - 1.5m (5 weeks) (November 26th to December 30th)
Japan - 915k (5 weeks) (November 26th to December 30th)

PS4:

NPD - 1.08m (5 weeks) (November 26th to December 30th)
Japan - 300k (5 weeks) (November 26th to December 30th)
Global - 3m (4 weeks) (December 3rd to December 30th)

So we know ps4 in Europe + Rest of World sold over 1.62m because we need to take into account the extra week missing from the global figure, so let's add in what VGC has for Week Ending December 2nd for EU/RoW, which is 524k.

So...

PS4: (5 weeks, November 26th to December 30th)

NPD - 1.08m
Japan - 300k
EU + RoW - 2.14m
Global - 3.52m

Switch:  (5 weeks, November 26th to December 30th)

NPD - 1.5m
Japan - 915k
EU + RoW - ???
Global - ???

If the Switch has sold roughly over 1.1m in EU+RoW it won global sales for december, or rather the 5 week period.

We have a little bit more data to add, Switch launched in S. Korea in Dec and sold 110k.

Canada is typically 10% of US, even if a bit lower than  usual Canada+Latin America should be over 150k.

Americas+Japan+Korea should be closer to 2.7 million.

Europe+Australia+other regions should definitely be over 800k.

 

 

Regardless PS4 & NSW are likely very close in Dec.



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OTBWY on 18 January 2018
hunter_alien said:
OTBWY said:

What a well built up argument and fantastic post! This is one of the reason why you are my favorite member on VGC and a prime example why this forum is not dieing.

I mean, I was basically right and you were wrong. Instead of admitting that and actually apologizing, you went in the other nonsensical direction. Hence the reaction. There's nothing left to say. Not going to discuss with you any further.

Last edited by OTBWY - on 18 January 2018