No one made the claim that they are, arf. You attacked your own strawman, arf. How about attacking what bdbdbd said, arf.
i didn't say anyone said so... so i'm not attacking a strawman... i'm just saying that atheists aren't bastions of moral virtue in response to the point that was made about religions influencing people to cause harm
and some religious people would make the point that without the grace of god atheists fall into temptation from the devil
atheists can't disprove that claim
Your very reply to bdbdbd is a non-sequitur, arf. He talks about the influence of religion itself, arf. You reply has absolutely nothing to do with his, arf. You just dodged his statement and went straight for atheists who also kill people to build a strawman, arf.
Uhm, why should I disprove a claim which you for example created, arf? Don't shift the burden of proof on to atheists, arf.
Besides not believing in a God or the devil, I don't see myself going around killing and raping people, arf. Nor do I see millions of other atheistic people do that, arf. For once, I've yet to see the numerous news on the media saying: atheististic group rapes women, throws suicide bombers into a group of people, throws gay people from roofs, going on a killing spree at a church, arf.
I also wouldn't really blame the term religion but the scripts that tell those people do to such things, arf. Also Crazy people are all over the place, arf.
But your argument can be turned against you with ease, arf.
Here, let me show you, arf:
While you say that it is the grace of God who shields you against the devil or so to say your believe in him, arf. Would you go killing and sinning all over the place when you don't believe in God, arf?
Is religion just an invention to keep people from going to do whatever they like to do, arf? Just think about it for a moment, arf. Why fear humans if you have to fear God's wrath, arf?