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Soundwave said:
KLAMarine said:

No. Rey was a good fighter both with a staff and a lightsaber, a good mechanic and seemed to know the MF better than Han himself (for f***'s sake), a good pilot, a good shot, a good droid interpreter, and a good force user. All in the first film.

 

Harry was a good broom rider and quidditch player, sort of... He caught the snitch or rather, it landed in his mouth so it was more accidental than a deed of skill. Hermione was more book-smart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6oMfkHviqE

Also, Snape hated him.

All that stuff is text book golden child/chosen one archetype stuff, lol. 

Right down to the tee. "Lucky things" just seem to happen to them, and they are resented by others who are basically jealous of them being so great, they are good at most everything. 

My personal theory on Rey is that she is chosen by Anakin to inherit his power as the Chosen One if there absolutely needs to be a spelt out explanation. That would bring a lot of things full circle and it fits within Buddhist/Eastern philosophies that Star Wars very obviously "borrows" from. 

The only lesson these characters typically learn is that they should never doubt themselves because they're always right. It's basically the only thing Neo learns in the Matrix. He is the Compu-Jesus and he was wrong to even doubt that himself, let alone other characters like Cipher and Agent Smith who doubt him, those two are really wrong lol. That's the moral of the story, the only "wrong" thing Neo does in the movie is ever doubt himself, and even then everything works out great for him, lol. His plan to save Morphues, the entire execution of it, is 100% correct, even though no one agrees with him. His choice to stare down Agent Smith and fight him is 100% even though he is specifically told NOT to do this. And when he should die by the "rules" of that Matrix, he basically doesn't, lol, cuz Neo. And love. But mostly Neo. 

So what "most everything" was Harry good at?

 

Also, was he lucky or was he good? Being lucky and being good are two different things.

Simpleton said:
KLAMarine said:

No. Rey was a good fighter both with a staff and a lightsaber, a good mechanic and seemed to know the MF better than Han himself (for f***'s sake), a good pilot, a good shot, a good droid interpreter, and a good force user better than Kylo (for f***'s sake again!).

 

All in the first film.

 

Harry was a good broom rider and quidditch player, sort of... He caught the snitch or rather, it landed in his mouth so it was more accidental than a deed of skill. Hermione was more book-smart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6oMfkHviqE

Also, Snape hated him.

In the first half of the series whenever confronted with a threat there's always some convenience that gets him out of it and it isn't until the 4th movie where he fails at something. The writing for Harry Potter, it isn't until the very end of the series where he can solve stuff on his own without conveniences and generous writing.

Be that as it may, being lucky and being good are not the same thing.

 

Harry got lucky with some explanation, Rey was good at pretty much everything she tried her hand at without explanation.



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How is this thread still breathing.

The Fans have spoken. The Last Jedi was the top grossing movie of 2017...🤣😂



Aeolus451 said:
Soundwave said:

At NINE YEARS OLD though? lol. The only human capable of flying death pods at 1000 mph? 

His mom getting fucked by Force penis to magically create a baby? 

None of that stretches the lore too much? C'mon guys. 

I actually think it would work if Rey is somehow willed by the Force and in particular Anakin himself from the Netherworld of the Force after Luke shuts himself off. It makes sense because Anakin is not going to just sit there and watch everything he set right be ruined by his idiot grandson. 

Thematically it works perfectly too, because Kylo Ren is obsessed with being the next Darth Vader, the irony would be if Anakin chooses Rey to basically inherit his power. So she is basically everything Kylo thought he should be by birthright, that works very well thematically. 

I could see that, even though really it doesn't even require that kind much explanation. She's the chosen one/golden child/messiah. Force chose her to end the Dark Side. And what the Force wants, the Force apparently gets it seems. 

it makes sense within that universe. I wouldn't dismiss what a kid can do so easily. I read of a few real life kids who commanded troops and won battles so well that they were awarded for it. I've also seen some smart ones.  

It would of have been better explained if the ghost of one of the jedi trained her (which is possible) or was trained by another force user that came across her when she was young and helped raise her..

It's kinda boring and has been done before though. I like the idea of "The Force Awakening" being a literal earthquake/one-time type event that is caused by Luke shutting himself off from the Force.

He won't open himself to the Force, so then the Force will take matters into its own hands and annoints its own Chosen One, some one better than Luke.

It had no problem impregnating a woman, and that's accepted by Star Wars fans as A-OK. 

Within the context of what's presented in this trilogy IMO this works. It fits within the context of the Last Jedi too because one of the main themes in the movie is the Force is SEPARATE from the Jedi/Sith ... those are just groups of people that try to manipulate the Force for what they think is correct. But they don't "own" the Force, the Force is bigger than them. 

I actually liked that aspect that Luke tried to hammer home to Rey. It's an arrogant presumption. The Force is not a martial art or aerobics program. The Jedi/Sith have just operated on that basis, but that doesn't make either of them right, it seems to me there's a lot about the Force both of them are clue less about. 

That part of The Last Jedi I thought worked well. I liked Luke hammering home that Jedi are arrogant to presume ownership of the Force. 

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TheTruthHurts! said:
How is this thread still breathing.

The Fans have spoken. The Last Jedi was the top grossing movie of 2017...🤣😂

I honestly think the thread has overstayed its welcome. It's too toxic here and I'm pretty done with this thread.



thismeintiel said:
bigjon said:

Star Wars (EP 4) - 307 million in 1977.

Empire Strikes Back - 209 million in 1980.

a 32% decrease.

 

My point. You are comparing TLJ to the biggest movie of all time. Just like I did, but in a different timeframe.

Want to talk about performance???? How bout this. TLJ blew by Wonder Woman earlier this week and is now 100 million ahead of its final gross. 

 

But you take your comparison out of context, like a few before did. Star Wars initial run was longer than a year. There really was no mainstream home video at the time, as VHS released that same year. In fact, it didn't get put on VHS until 1982, 5 years later, and had a few rereleases in theater by then. One of them actually came right after ESB left theaters, which added the EP. 4 to the title. Point being, if you wanted to watch SW between 1977 and 1982, you had to watch it in theaters. When ESB hit theaters, the home video landscape had changed. Movies were being put on VHS a year or two after they hit the theaters. Films were being put on television, instead of getting umpteen theater rereleases.  TLJ doesn't have that excuse. 

And if you look on BOM, ESB actually outperformed ANH for the data we actually have on it. ESB did $145.9M in its first 13 weeks. SW did $113M.  Like I said, the movie industry just changed so much after the introduction of VHS and increased popularity of broadcasting movies on TV. 

As for Wonder Woman, of course it did, it's a freaking mainstream SW episode, the largest movie franchise in history. With the help of mass hype it opened to $450M WW. Which was only 15% down from TFA opening. Doesn't change the fact that fewer fans are going in for repeat viewings, causing that 15% to plummet to 31%. And who knows how much further it will drop in the next month.

No.

 

My comparison is simple. Both EP 1 and 7 hit mindblowing numbers. Their sequels could not reach the same level. 

I am just pointing out that TLJ will make between 650 and 700 million. Which is the number 3 move ever. The only thing you can do to make this number be a negatve s compare it to TFA. Which is kinda like ESB back in 1980. 200 mil was incredible, but did not look that great compared to what Star Wars did. 



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It's Star Wars. Pretty much every year that a Star Wars film releases, it's going to be the number one movie (except when AotC got beaten by Spiderman...). It'll dominate like always. That's the legacy of Star Wars.

The casual fans will move on. The "hardcore" fan will watch it in theaters, buy it on home media, watch it over and over, analyze and over analyze it, etc. It may even spawn a few quotes/phrases that become part of popular culture.



The people in here calling Harry Potter a Gary Stu, I'm sorry....you don't know the first thing about storycraft, or character archetypes. Seriously. Please shut up, because you're embarrassing yourselves.



DakonBlackblade said:
irstupid said:

From what I've read (haven't seen the movie yet) Star Wars fans are upset by what they did to Luke mostly. 

The movie sounds like it has a lot of plot holes and what not, but the biggest fault seems to be the Luke aspect.

Think of the DC movies for example. How many people HATE HATE HATE the new movies because that isn't their superman, or that isn't hteir batman. Too dark, killing, ect.

The same for Star Wars. Luke is the Superman/Batman of that universe. You need to treat him with respect. If you make him into something everyone (Mark Hamill included) doesn't like, then they will hate the movie. 

Compare the treatment of Luke Skywalker to the treatment of Deadpool in Wolverine Origins. 

Theres no paralel with the DC movies whatsoever, the DC movies are bad movies. Visual effects are bad, plot is nonsensical, some of the acting is poor, editting is terrible (Suicide Squad is so badly editted it almost can't be considered a movie at all) and whatnot. Star Wars the Last Jedi on the other hand is a great movie, the critics love it cause it is a beatfully done piece of cinema,  the cinematography in some scenes is amongst the very best ever to grace our eyes, thats not hyperbole, there is a very real chance TLJ grabs some technical Oscars. The movie takes a lot of liberties and does a plethora of unexpected things regarding Star Wars lore tough, and since hardcore fans believe they are the owners of all Star Wars lore and if you do anything they don't agree with you need to burn in the Seven Circles of Hell, the movie is getting backlash, its pretty simple to understand.

Despite any of that it has flown over 1 billion $ worldwide already (surpassing Rogue One's total numbers within 2 weeks of release). Considering we always knew it would never reach anywhere near Force Awakens numbers (all the years of anticipation don't exist anymore and it is the second movie in a trilogy, historicaly always the least hyped of a 3 parter) its doing amazingly well even with the crazy fans rantting and smear campaign.

I was not comparing the movies plots, cinematography or anything of tha tnature. Purely the characters portrayal.

Many people say they hate Batman killing, or Superman killing or being Emo, or Joker being a gangster, ect.

They hate how the DCEU 'RUINED' their favorite character.

The same for Last Jedi. They feel that the movie RUINED Luke. Luke was not the luke they know. Luke would not give up, hide away, ect. Hell even the actor for Luke has to make himself think this is a different Luke and not his. This is essentially a non-canon story in Mark Hamill's eyes.



Soundwave said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Is only a problem when is a woman, but that's not sexism is just, you know.... yeah maybe is just sexism.

In this case people saying sexism probably have a case. There is definitely some of that going on. Such a character never gets criticized if it's a guy. I recall zero complaints about Neo "Compu-Messiah" in the Matrix or Harry Potter: Isn't He Wonderful/Special/Smart/Perfect/Should Be Fucking Heromonie But He's So Good He Lets His Mate Have Her. I do think the sequels should give Rey more time though, there's too many characters and they are focusing on too many things around her. 

Those who say that Rey is not a Mary Sue, consider this: would we ever see  a scene where Rey gets messed up by an ice monster with visible bruises and cuts in her face, gets her hand cut off and burned by lighting until she smokes like bacon?



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