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thismeintiel said:
StuOhQ said:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4356&p=.htm

This franchise is #Nintendoomed confirmed!

Yep. And after this weekend, if it holds the optimistic 80% BOM predicts, it's only going to be down by $450M+ from TFA. After just 17 days in theaters.

I'm sure Disney is just loving these results. /s

There's no denying that it won't do as well as TFA, but I don't know if Disney will see it as a failure.



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The movie is about to reach 1 billion in 14 days and people is suggesting is some kind of failure, now that's desperation.



Azuren said:
JakDaSnack said:

Lol, I never denied anything.  Are you ok? Lol.  But like I said, I never said Luke was a Mary Sue, and this topic has become a he said she said, so I’m dropping it since it’s noy relevant.

No more than TFA, again, given the rules established in TFA, TLJ did not add anything, however did explain.  You continue to not have a counter to this.  She spent the entire movie practicing her skills and learning new things from Luke, lifting the boulders was the culmination of that.  And wtf Snoke, explain the relevance to Rey being Mary Sue. 

Lol, I like how you had no counter to 2 of my points, and now I’m on something? Lol, sorry bud, but you aren’t doing a good job with this argument.  

No, don't play stupid and start backpedaling, Mr "He was just bragging". Either own your stupid arguments or admit they were stupid, don't pretend you didn't make them.

 

So your leading argument is "She's not anymore of a Sue than she was, so what's the big deal"?

 

Rey’s force powers were explained by snoke and Luke.

How? She's special? You do understand what a Mary Sue is, right? Overly special?

 

she wasn’t liked by any of the new characters she met.

That's alright since she's already super tight with Leia, Chewy, Luke, and an entire resistance that had known her for 12 hours.

 

She failed all of her tasks.

Certainly didn't fail at dying. That would have been great. Another thing she's better than Han and Luke at. And in all seriousness: does she really? Because last I checked she managed to fucking escaping from the middle of Snoke's grasp because *gasp* Kylo likes her? I thought no one liked her?

 

She was man handled by Snoke and was unable to beat Kylo Ren.

Being manhandled only to escape isn't manhandling, it's setting a bar to show how awesome she is when she escapes.

Not understanding my comments doesn’t make them stupid FYI.

yup, all those people she met in TFA(you’re making it quite clear you don’t understand my argument)

You missed the point of that engagement, you seem to be missing everything so no point in me elaborating.  Also they met in TFA, last I checked he didn’t like her then.

They didn’t even show her escaping lol.  Unless you count the battling the guards, and the confrontation with Kylo Ren. But they never showed her physically leaving.

Its clear you haven’t a clue what you are talking about. I think I have 4 points you failed to counter now lol.

And still, you got nothing demonstrating that she was a Mary Sue in TLJ.



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TLJ will hit a billion WW on Saturday it looks like, that would make it the fastest to a billion after TFA, Furious 7, and Jurassic World.

So it'll hit a billion faster than any Marvel movie (yup, Avengers included).

All things considered I think Disney will be fine with it. The second Star Wars movie in a trilogy is always 30%+ down from the opening episode (ESB and AOTC both grossed far less than thieir predecessors) and TLJ also has the fact that it's the third Star Wars movie in three years, so each one is not as much of an event any more (hell we're getting another Star Wars movie in like 6 months).

Empire and Clones at least had a full three year break into between movies with no new Star Wars movies in between. 

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Soundwave said:

TLJ will hit a billion WW on Saturday it looks like, that would make it the fastest to a billion after TFA, Furious 7, and Jurassic World.

So it'll hit a billion faster than any Marvel movie (yup, Avengers included).

All things considered I think Disney will be fine with it. The second Star Wars movie in a trilogy is always 30%+ down from the opening episode (ESB and AOTC both grossed far less than thieir predecessors) and TLJ also has the fact that it's the third Star Wars movie in three years, so each one is not as much of an event any more (hell we're getting another Star Wars movie in like 6 months). 

Wait, is it really 6 months away?   Wow, I’m surprised we haven’t gotten a trailer or anything yet. 



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Mr.GameCrazy said:
thismeintiel said:

Yep. And after this weekend, if it holds the optimistic 80% BOM predicts, it's only going to be down by $450M+ from TFA. After just 17 days in theaters.

I'm sure Disney is just loving these results. /s

There's no denying that it won't do as well as TFA, but I don't know if Disney will see it as a failure.

Wow, really? Now, keep in mind this is just 17 days. We have about one more month to go. And after this weekend, unless TLJ pulls some kind of miracle, this is when the real declines start to happen, as kids go  back to school and theaters start pulling it off of screens.

So far it has dropped ~30% down from TFA. That will grow, but even if it holds, this movie will end up at $1.4B. Sounds nice. Till you realize it's $600M+ down from the first. That's alot of lost revenue.  And personally, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up $650M-$700M down. There's no way Disney planned on this outcome.  The execs and investors probably aren't very happy. 

And watch, they'll try and fix all the complaints with the 3rd film, in an attempt to make that gap not happen again. But, it'll be a little too late and will most likely end with a muddled mess of a movie. Unless they try to act like TLJ never happened.

So, failure? No. It'll make its budget and marketing back. Huge disappointment? Absolutely. 



thismeintiel said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

There's no denying that it won't do as well as TFA, but I don't know if Disney will see it as a failure.

Wow, really? Now, keep in mind this is just 17 days. We have about one more month to go. And after this weekend, unless TLJ pulls some kind of miracle, this is when the real declines start to happen, as kids go  back to school and theaters start pulling it off of screens.

So far it has dropped ~30% down from TFA. That will grow, but even if it holds, this movie will end up at $1.4B. Sounds nice. Till you realize it's $600M+ down from the first. That's alot of lost revenue.  And personally, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up $650M-$700M down. There's no way Disney planned on this outcome.  The execs and investors probably aren't very happy. 

And watch, they'll try and fix all the complaints with the 3rd film, in an attempt to make that gap not happen again. But, it'll be a little too late and will most likely end with a muddled mess of a movie. Unless they try to act like TLJ never happened.

So, failure? No. It'll make its budget and marketing back. Huge disappointment? Absolutely. 

30% down is the same as Empire and Clones ... that's actually fairly standard for a second part Star Wars movie. TLJ was never making as much as the TFA. 

It's going to be the second fastest Disney film to a billion, beating every Marvel film. If Disney is crying, they're crying all the way to bank. 



JakDaSnack said:
Azuren said:

No, don't play stupid and start backpedaling, Mr "He was just bragging". Either own your stupid arguments or admit they were stupid, don't pretend you didn't make them.

 

So your leading argument is "She's not anymore of a Sue than she was, so what's the big deal"?

 

Rey’s force powers were explained by snoke and Luke.

How? She's special? You do understand what a Mary Sue is, right? Overly special?

 

she wasn’t liked by any of the new characters she met.

That's alright since she's already super tight with Leia, Chewy, Luke, and an entire resistance that had known her for 12 hours.

 

She failed all of her tasks.

Certainly didn't fail at dying. That would have been great. Another thing she's better than Han and Luke at. And in all seriousness: does she really? Because last I checked she managed to fucking escaping from the middle of Snoke's grasp because *gasp* Kylo likes her? I thought no one liked her?

 

She was man handled by Snoke and was unable to beat Kylo Ren.

Being manhandled only to escape isn't manhandling, it's setting a bar to show how awesome she is when she escapes.

Not understanding my comments, doesn’t make them stupid FYI.

yup, all those people she met in TFA(you’re making it quite clear you don’t understand my argument)

You missed the point of that engagement, you seem to be missing everything so no point in me elaborating.  Also they met in TFA, last I checked he didn’t like her then.

They didn’t even show her escaping lol.  Unless you count the battling the guards, and the confrontation with Kylo Ren. But they never showed her physically leaving.

Its clear you haven’t a clue what you are talking about. I think I have 4 points you failed to counter now lol.

And still, you got nothing demonstrating that she was a Mary Sue in TLJ.

Understood them. They were just some of the most ignorant comments I've seen anyone make about Star Wars.

 

Oh no, like I said: it's a shame all the important ones already like her.

 

Seemed pretty keen on training her then, too.

 

So she didn't escape, she was killed, and Episode 9 has a chance to not suck?

 

No, I think that you just keep trying to move goalposts to say she isn't a Mary Sue. "Find things that make her Mary Sue that don't originate from TFA! Ha!"

 

Guess what? Still a Mary Sue, because TFA still happened. Moving the goalposts to exclude TFA doesn't magically make her not a Mary Sue.



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thismeintiel said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

There's no denying that it won't do as well as TFA, but I don't know if Disney will see it as a failure.

Wow, really? Now, keep in mind this is just 17 days. We have about one more month to go. And after this weekend, unless TLJ pulls some kind of miracle, this is when the real declines start to happen, as kids go  back to school and theaters start pulling it off of screens.

So far it has dropped ~30% down from TFA. That will grow, but even if it holds, this movie will end up at $1.4B. Sounds nice. Till you realize it's $600M+ down from the first. That's alot of lost revenue.  And personally, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up $650M-$700M down. There's no way Disney planned on this outcome.  The execs and investors probably aren't very happy. 

And watch, they'll try and fix all the complaints with the 3rd film, in an attempt to make that gap not happen again. But, it'll be a little too late and will most likely end with a muddled mess of a movie. Unless they try to act like TLJ never happened.

So, failure? No. It'll make its budget and marketing back. Huge disappointment? Absolutely. 

Hyperbole much?  Every middle movie in a Star Wars trilogy has been down 30%, so nothing unexpected, TLJ will also be like the 4th fastest movie to reach 1 billion(lol at huge disappointment).  Critics, fans, and Disney all loved the movie. 

Nothing unusual to see here.  



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JakDaSnack said:
thismeintiel said:

Wow, really? Now, keep in mind this is just 17 days. We have about one more month to go. And after this weekend, unless TLJ pulls some kind of miracle, this is when the real declines start to happen, as kids go  back to school and theaters start pulling it off of screens.

So far it has dropped ~30% down from TFA. That will grow, but even if it holds, this movie will end up at $1.4B. Sounds nice. Till you realize it's $600M+ down from the first. That's alot of lost revenue.  And personally, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up $650M-$700M down. There's no way Disney planned on this outcome.  The execs and investors probably aren't very happy. 

And watch, they'll try and fix all the complaints with the 3rd film, in an attempt to make that gap not happen again. But, it'll be a little too late and will most likely end with a muddled mess of a movie. Unless they try to act like TLJ never happened.

So, failure? No. It'll make its budget and marketing back. Huge disappointment? Absolutely. 

Hyperbole much?  Every middle movie in a Star Wars trilogy has been down 30%, so nothing unexpected, TLJ will also be like the 4th fastest movie to reach 1 billion(lol at huge disappointment).  Critics, fans, and Disney all loved the movie. 

Nothing unusual to see here.  

I'd also add ESB and AOTC had less competetion. There was a full three years between them with no Star Wars movies. There's only two years between TFA and TLJ and it has Rogue One, which was a big cash cow itself, in between them. A new Star Wars every year is simply going to make "a new Star Wars" less of a big deal. 

The Force Awakens had 10 years of build up, Phantom Menace had 16 years.