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DarthMetalliCube said:
d21lewis said:
Any Nostalgia Critic fans here? He did a video on tlj that had me dying with laughter!

It was pretty funny but I thought the Red Letter Media guys had a much funnier review of it despite not having any skits/theatrics, plus it was far more on point and in line w/my view of the film. NC was a little too soft on it to the point where it was a bit boring and uninteresting, though he did knock it more than I expected. I'm still a NC fan (he actually did a couple of live review showing/Q&A that I attended, was a good time), but in general his stuff has done little for me the last 5 years or so. I liked him a lot better in the early days when he stuck to straight up reviews without the lame skits. These days I'm mainly into RLM when it comes to movies. The Episode 8 Plinkett review should be epic lol.

Agreed! The RLM crew reviews are always funnier, though they can be overly cynical sometimes



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mZuzek said:
Simpleton said:

Most people like Rogue One, even some people who hated TFA and TLJ seem to like it, so it might be worth the shot, but I didn't like it. The movie seemed borderline self-parody at the end when they kept shoving in recognizable images to get claps from the audience.

So the whole movie is bad because the last 2 minutes are fanservice.

The Last Jedi is good on the other hand, because maybe among all the crap there were a couple of decent minutes here or there.

No, Rogue One isn't good because it has a clumsy and dull direction, a sterile feel through most of the film, dry humour, characters nobody really cares about and it takes really long to get to the good parts wich are concentrated in the last act. It has some good scenes at the end and a fine plot, but that's all, it isn't bad at all but it really is nothing special.

TLJ biggest sin is to have a simple plot, something some people confuses with a bad script, which isn't the case at all, the movie is remarkable excinting, unpredictable and risky thanks to its script. Appart from that it has an exceptional direction, fantastic perfomances (Mark Hamill does the best job of its life) and plenty of awesome scenes. I'm convinced time will make this movie be seen in a different light, it truly deserves it.

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Goodnightmoon said:
mZuzek said:

So the whole movie is bad because the last 2 minutes are fanservice.

The Last Jedi is good on the other hand, because maybe among all the crap there were a couple of decent minutes here or there.

No, Rogue One isn't good because it has a clumsy and dull direction, a sterile feel through most of the film, dry humour, characters nobody really cares about and it takes really long to get to the good parts wich are concentrated in the last act. It has some good scenes at the end and a fine plot, but that's all, it isn't bad at all but it really is nothing special.

TLJ biggest sin is to have a simple plot, something some people confuses with a bad script, which isn't the case at all, the movie is remarkable excinting, unpredictable and risky thanks to its script. Appart from that it has an exceptional direction, fantastic perfomances (Mark Hamill does the best job of its life) and plenty of awesome scenes. I'm convinced time will make this movie be seen in a different light, it truly deserves it.

I hope so, but I'm not sure if that will happen to The Last Jedi. I personally liked it.



d21lewis said:
Any Nostalgia Critic fans here? He did a video on tlj that had me dying with laughter!

I love Nostalgia Critic vids.  I'll definitely look that up later today.  Thanks for the heads up!



Here's the one I was talking about:
https://youtu.be/J3gciAsltCw

Way more detailed and pokes fun at the movie. His original review was okay but this was the one I was waiting for. Won't convert and non fans, though.



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Oliver Harper is a voice I trust. He worked/works in the industry as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le0hbWNduEE

They did not like it.



NightlyPoe said:
Mandalore76 said:

Wait, which one are you assigning to which?  Because some of the Expanded Universe was utter garbage:

The X-Wing series was a highlight of the entire EU.  Allston's additions to the series were better, Starfighters of Adumar remains the best Star Wars book I ever read, but Stackpole's contributions were excellent.

 

 

 

 

Agree to disagree on the Stackpole books.  I was reading all the EU books back then, because it was before the prequels, and it was the only Star Wars out there.  I read the X-Wing series up to "The Bacta War", and I didn't care for it much.  It was full of ridiculously contrived nonsense like mentioning an Alderaanian War Frigate "Another Chance" which was said to be "loaded with all of the weapons of Alderaan".  The Frigate was supposedly a "legendary myth" and then Rogue Squadron finds the Frigate a few pages later and adds it to their fleet.  After that, "The Phantom Menace" was out, and I could see Star Wars in the theater again.  The Kevin J. Anderson and Roger MacBride Allen books are total garbage.  I'm pretty sure that one of those 2 authors bragged in the Foreward that he wrote one of the books in a ridiculous short amount of time like it was some impressive feat worthy of bragging about.  The novel read like it was hastily written too.  Bantam Books didn't even bother to edit it.  I found a mistake on almost every page.  At one point, they interchanged the name of a planet with one of the main characters stating that the Millenium Falcon landed on her.  Another one of the books hopped from planet to planet that were used in the original trilogy to make the reader say, "oh cool it's Endor again!"  While back on Hoth, Luke encounters a one-armed Wampa.  Yep, the one he cut the arm off of in Empire Strikes Back.  In the intervening years, the one-armed Wampa had been teaching the other Wampa's guerrilla tactics and was leading them like a general in battles against big game hunters who had been coming to Hoth for trophies.  The only time I want to see Luke encounter the Wampa whose arm he cut off is on Robot Chicken.  Because at least RC isn't trying to pass itself off as serious.

  https://youtu.be/ZxAYii0TDSw

The best books in the EU by far were written by Timothy Zahn.  The Thrawn Trilogy was so good, it made me want to read his other works.  I read his "Conqueror's Trilogy" afterwards and they were equally well written and engaging. 

In my opinion, Zahn's books are the highlight of the EU, not the X-Wing Series.  Most of the rest of the EU is cash grab garbage that would reach #1 on the New York Times Best Seller list solely by virtue of having the title "Star Wars" on the cover.

  



Luke is a looser and we the sith hope that he visit us one day so that we can cut him into 2 half. Lord vader was too soft with him. And that yoda frog will die also soon. 



Pagan said:

Luke is a looser and we the sith hope that he visit us one day so that we can cut him into 2 half. Lord vader was too soft with him. And that yoda frog will die also soon. 

Hahahaha



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Goodnightmoon said:
mZuzek said:

So the whole movie is bad because the last 2 minutes are fanservice.

The Last Jedi is good on the other hand, because maybe among all the crap there were a couple of decent minutes here or there.

No, Rogue One isn't good because it has a clumsy and dull direction, a sterile feel through most of the film, dry humour, characters nobody really cares about and it takes really long to get to the good parts wich are concentrated in the last act. It has some good scenes at the end and a fine plot, but that's all, it isn't bad at all but it really is nothing special.

TLJ biggest sin is to have a simple plot, something some people confuses with a bad script, which isn't the case at all, the movie is remarkable excinting, unpredictable and risky thanks to its script. Appart from that it has an exceptional direction, fantastic perfomances (Mark Hamill does the best job of its life) and plenty of awesome scenes. I'm convinced time will make this movie be seen in a different light, it truly deserves it.

Comparing a one shot side story to the main movies is always going to be a challenge, but frankly I like Jyn more than Rey, Cassian more than Poe, and Chirrut and Baze more than Rose and Finn.  I'm not sure one can define "character likability" along a standardized metric.  Rogue One does have the advantage of an understood world rather than crafting a new one onto which I felt Last Jedi did clumsily and messy fashion due to being a direct sequel the way Back to the Future 2 was taking place right after its predecessor.  The First Order and Resistance are at their respective places because it was what they wanted to get to Empire Strikes Back scenario rather than feeling like a natural extension of what we know in Force Awakens.