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Forums - Gaming - "The Nintendo Switch Is Selling Exactly As Fast As Sony's PS4" - Forbes

 

Do you agree with the article?

Yes, Switch will KILL the PS4! 18 12.95%
 
No, PS4 will remain champion! 74 53.24%
 
Hard to tell right now, time will only tell. 47 33.81%
 
Total:139
DonFerrari said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Switch surely had a great start, but I expect Switch sales to considerably go down once the holiday season is over.
Because Nintendo decided to publish almost all the typical first-party-system-sellers (Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda) during the same year that the Switch released.

That surely led to great Switch sales in 2017 - but what about 2018 etc.? I don't see another superhit like Super Mario or Zelda come out anytime soon. All games that make me really really want to own a Switch (=Super Mario and Zelda) are already released, and there's currently not a single other first-party Switch game that I'm really looking forward to.

The sales will go down after the Holiday season because no other month sells as good as holiday anyway.

Well, yes, obviously. But that's not what I meant - I believe that Switch sales will not only go down because the holiday season is over, but also because the typical first-party-system-sellers have already been released in 2017. There won't be a new Super Mario, Mario Kart or Zelda in 2018.

DonFerrari said:

So all games that make you want to own a Switch were released, so have you bought them all? No love for Pokemon, SSB, MK and other big games?

I played BotW on the WiiU, no reason to play it on the Switch again. The new Super Mario is currently the only Switch game I'm very very interested in, but I just don't want to buy a console for one game. And unfortunately I'm really not interested in Pokemon, SSB, MK etc., and with no other must-have-titles being announced that I am aware of, I don't see myself buying a Switch anytime soon.



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StreaK said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/12/12/the-nintendo-switch-is-selling-exactly-as-fast-as-sonys-ps4/#744b021f7b59

Dammit, this is EXACTLY what I was looking for. I wanted to know if the switch sold 10 million faster only to find this article. Ughh, Switch IS doing amazing. But how long will it last? Seems like the forbes guy thinks the Switch is going to win out in the end even catching up and overtaking the PS4's sales. What's his theory??? POKEMON and the fact that the switch will also take over the 3DS as the NEW portable.

Oh oh for Sony??? DAMMIT I hope not.

He is off his rocker if he thinks Switch will overtake PS4 sales.  Were about 1/2 way through this gen cycle and as the PS4's library grows and grows and Sony is able to drop the price of its consoles and create more cost efficient versions like the slim it only adds to the value and attractiveness to consumers. I think Nintendo will have a really good selling product with the switch but there are some heavy limitations,  2 million VR sets alone have been sold and the price drastically reduced will see this product (PS4) selling very well for the years ahead.  I would as a guess give final totals of the Switch around 50 million units and the PS4 around 90 million



Jranation said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
Switch surely had a great start, but I expect Switch sales to considerably go down once the holiday season is over.
Because Nintendo decided to publish almost all the typical first-party-system-sellers (Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda) during the same year that the Switch released.

That surely led to great Switch sales in 2017 - but what about 2018 etc.? I don't see another superhit like Super Mario or Zelda come out anytime soon. All games that make me really really want to own a Switch (=Super Mario and Zelda) are already released, and there's currently not a single other first-party Switch game that I'm really looking forward to.

We need to wait for that January Direct. Because Nintendo have been making good decisions so far. Why would they make the same mistake with the Wii U for Switch 2nd year? 

 

The Direct in January is very importante, indeed.

The same mistake was bad software? One year is enought to predict most party of sales trajectorie. 



SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

Eeeeeeeeer don't just make it a chicken or egg situation. Nintendo abandoned the support for N64, GC and mainly Wii before it was discontinued or out of demand. They abandoned to start developing for the new system and that helped the sales plummet, very simple concept. Sony and Nintendo have different choices on how to support their console.

Demand for hardware dropped below a sustainable threshold for new software development.  That is consistent with all companies including Sony. 

Nintendo did not drop software support for N64, GC or Wii prior to the sustainable threshold point.  Sony consoles simply have a longer term demand that pushes the sustainable point longer.  That's also the main benefit of 3rd party support.  Sony doesn't need to pour all resources into the console late in the cycle meaning the sustainability point itself is also lower.

They don't need, still they release TLOU and GT6 at the very end of the PS3 life and start of PS4. That isn't what Nintendo usually do with their major IPs.

Wii major ips got dropped before the yearly sales were even below what would probably be the peaks of GC. And considering games would have between 2-3 years of dev time, if they aren't releasing games after the 4th year of the console, then they shifted the dev to the next console while still on the middle of the current gen.

What is the issue with accepting this reality?

zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

So it was a point for the sake of a point?

You know people are allowed to reply to just part of your post.

It seemed you were implying that 3DS had an abnormal sales curve and i was pointing out that none of their handhelds follow that same sales curve their console seem to follow.

Understood. Still that was made as a counter to people that expect very stepy front sales, late peak and long tail all at once for Switch, while the story shows Nintendo consoles are more front loaded than Sony.

ArnoldRimmer said:
DonFerrari said:

The sales will go down after the Holiday season because no other month sells as good as holiday anyway.

Well, yes, obviously. But that's not what I meant - I believe that Switch sales will not only go down because the holiday season is over, but also because the typical first-party-system-sellers have already been released in 2017. There won't be a new Super Mario, Mario Kart or Zelda in 2018.

DonFerrari said:

So all games that make you want to own a Switch were released, so have you bought them all? No love for Pokemon, SSB, MK and other big games?

I played BotW on the WiiU, no reason to play it on the Switch again. The new Super Mario is currently the only Switch game I'm very very interested in, but I just don't want to buy a console for one game. And unfortunately I'm really not interested in Pokemon, SSB, MK etc., and with no other must-have-titles being announced that I am aware of, I don't see myself buying a Switch anytime soon.

So you mean the sales on 2018 before the holidays will be lower than 2017? That is possible.

If you are a Nintendo fan you don't seem like one that really like their games. Even I that don't follow or play much of Nintendo have interest on those games.

eastcoastrider said:
StreaK said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/12/12/the-nintendo-switch-is-selling-exactly-as-fast-as-sonys-ps4/#744b021f7b59

Dammit, this is EXACTLY what I was looking for. I wanted to know if the switch sold 10 million faster only to find this article. Ughh, Switch IS doing amazing. But how long will it last? Seems like the forbes guy thinks the Switch is going to win out in the end even catching up and overtaking the PS4's sales. What's his theory??? POKEMON and the fact that the switch will also take over the 3DS as the NEW portable.

Oh oh for Sony??? DAMMIT I hope not.

He is off his rocker if he thinks Switch will overtake PS4 sales.  Were about 1/2 way through this gen cycle and as the PS4's library grows and grows and Sony is able to drop the price of its consoles and create more cost efficient versions like the slim it only adds to the value and attractiveness to consumers. I think Nintendo will have a really good selling product with the switch but there are some heavy limitations,  2 million VR sets alone have been sold and the price drastically reduced will see this product (PS4) selling very well for the years ahead.  I would as a guess give final totals of the Switch around 50 million units and the PS4 around 90 million

Besides world destruction, it's basically impossible PS4 won't reach 100M.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

mZuzek said:
NPCmates said:

??

My point is that you don't deserve an avatar.

Probably a troll but I'll bite one more time, why don't I? Maybe you could explain some more rather than telling people what the do and don't deserve.



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mZuzek said:
NPCmates said:

Probably a troll but I'll bite one more time, why don't I? Maybe you could explain some more rather than telling people what the do and don't deserve.

It's just, there has been a weird resurgence here lately of avatar-less users (mostly new) talking crap about the Switch and how it's going to fail and sell under 40m or 50m or whatever - which isn't an opinion, it's just called being wrong -, and you were saying the same kind of stuff. You see, usually having an avatar makes you more relevant as an user, but here you didn't do much to deserve it

Hey it took time to make mine for the channel also that is pretty pathetic to put me down when you don't know me. I have always loved sales data and predictions and I take it as it comes also i haven't read anyone else with reasons like mine though they are out there this is all off top of my head as I am trying to get into being more apart of this site but hey thanks for giving me a taste of what pricks are like.



CGI-Quality said:
NPCmates said:

Hey it took time to make mine for the channel also that is pretty pathetic to put me down when you don't know me. I have always loved sales data and predictions and I take it as it comes also i haven't read anyone else with reasons like mine though they are out there this is all off top of my head as I am trying to get into being more apart of this site but hey thanks for giving me a taste of what pricks are like.

No need for stuff like this. If there is an issue with someone, bring it to the attention of Moderators by using the Report function or PMing one of them.

Sorry to butt in, but mZuzek was doing 3x times worse and constantly, for no good reason than because the guy doesn't see Switch doing over 50M.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

mZuzek said:
NPCmates said:

Probably a troll but I'll bite one more time, why don't I? Maybe you could explain some more rather than telling people what the do and don't deserve.

It's just, there has been a weird resurgence here lately of avatar-less users (mostly new) talking crap about the Switch and how it's going to fail and sell under 40m or 50m or whatever - which isn't an opinion, it's just called being wrong -, and you were saying the same kind of stuff. You see, usually having an avatar makes you more relevant as an user, but here you didn't do much to deserve it.

Im irrelevant confirmed



mZuzek said:
NPCmates said:

Probably a troll but I'll bite one more time, why don't I? Maybe you could explain some more rather than telling people what the do and don't deserve.

It's just, there has been a weird resurgence here lately of avatar-less users (mostly new) talking crap about the Switch and how it's going to fail and sell under 40m or 50m or whatever - which isn't an opinion, it's just called being wrong -, and you were saying the same kind of stuff. You see, usually having an avatar makes you more relevant as an user, but here you didn't do much to deserve it.

Lol you are petty, what it is not an opinion? Called being wrong? This is just your opinion, do you have a crystalball were you can look in the future with or what? Switch is just a Console and a pretty bad one too. You act like someone insult you or your familiy ore whatever lol. Maybe you need a girlfriend, your feelings for that ultra bad console is creepy, what a fanatic. Lol

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I don't think it will completely close the gap with PS4, but I'm quite sure that if Ninty will produce enough units and won't kill it early, it will reach huge numbers. Wii doesn't look out of reach, it sold more than 100M despite it was killed too early, and other consoles managed to outsell it, and even PS3 and XB360, competing with Wii and with Sony and MS being so clumsy with them, sold more than 85M, so with Ninty clearly trying to do its best with NS, 100M don't look unreachable. But unless PS4 sales suddenly plummet, closing the existing gap would take more than the time Ninty is willing to keep even a successful generation alive.



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