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KBG29 said:

The thing is Sony doesn't have to go into this in a fight against Apple and Google. The main purpose of the platform would be games. The 4G or 5G connections main purpose would be giving you the full online gaming expereince anywhere you go. Sony doesn't have to sell 100 million devices a year to be profitable. With everything being shared across all PS devices, even if it only sold as well as the Vita, it would be a very profitable device. That said, a mobile device with full access to the PlayStation library would blow by the VIta, the PSP, and potentially even the PS2. 

I don't know how to get it arocss, but millions of people don't care about their Android or iOS phone, and never use it for more than calls, texting, and web browsing. I work in 24 hour business with a head count just over 4,000 people in my location, and over 140,000 world wide. The average pay is over 100K/year, and the people range from early 20's to retirement. My position has me moving across shifts, and getting to know the vast majority of these people over the last decade plus. Beyond that, I have been coast to coast across the US, and to a handfull of other countries working for this company. I know people all over the world, from all backgrounds, and of all ages. The idea that people are satisfied with iOS and Android, and would not jump all over something that truly shifted the land scape is pretty much religated to the online community. Don't know what else to say.

Also, that might give you some idea of why I want a bad ass mobile device, and why I love the Vita and Remote Play.

A portable device with cellular connection? Like the Vita 3G? It didn't worked back then, why would it work now? I also don't think selling as well as Vita is enough to be a profitable and worthy business. If it was, I guess we would have a Vita 2. There's no point in investing R&D to make an entire platform that sells 10M when they have one that will do more than 120M. That R&D would be better used on a cheaper PS4 revision or a cheaper PSVR. It's simply not worth their time and money.

If you assume it would run the entire PS4 library, we don't have this tech yet. A docked Switch is way weaker than the PS4. Undocked, it's even more. Also, Switch use small games. PS4 has tons of titles on the 50GB range. Good luck with storage. Also, how would they transfer your physical copies? DRM issue here. And also not easy to solve in any manner that doesn't involve giving free digital copies to everyone. Honestly, I would just cash in all my physical games as digital and sell them, while keeping my free copies. Publishers would love for sure seeing millions of used games flooding the market with cheap prices.

Only a minority uses it just for calls and text. People use basic stuff like FB app, Instagram, Uber, Trip Advisor, a ton of stuff. If a majority didn't used any app, why Windows Phone and Blackberry failed so massively hard? They were good OS, just lacked apps. Also, do you think people that don't even use apps on their phones are the exact public that want a portable console? We are talking about people that barely use tech at all.

The dominance iOS and Android have is not relegated to the mobile community. It's a fact, backed up by all competitors leaving the market or ending bankrupt. Palm is out. BB uses Android now and is much smaller. Nokia destroyed, it's just a license for HMD now. MS kicked out of the market.

Also, in which way the PS4 OS disrupts the landscape? It's a barebones OS. It doesn't have 5% of what Android does. And that's OK, because it was made for a console and not for a hand computer. I could write a book with all the stuff that Android does that the PS4 OS doesn't.

I also love remote play. But the general public doesn't care at all. If they did, the Vita would sell. If you want a badass mobile gaming device, you should buy a Switch. If you want a badass mobile all-around device, you should buy an Android or iOS phone.



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Here's my take on it. Sony is not worried atm bec. as someone already said they are not direct competitor atm.
But in the near future they will be worried because switch will have the 3rd party games that they don't have now.
That will steal console from sony. The question is how are they going to battle this?

Ps4 is 4 years will be 5 next year. They may be forced to release ps5 in 2019 and that will be the real competitor of switch. A lot of fans seems to ignore this. Switch will be on the position again the same as wii. Popular but unable to get the demanding games from ps5 or the next xbo.



deskpro2k3 said:
Lawlight said:

How would making online gaming free help them though?

Would you be more inclined to purchase a game on PS4 if it has free online, than requiring a subscription to play online on another platform?

If you say yes to the former. Then that's how it helps them.

Well, personally I had PS+ well before it was required to play online. But given that the PS4 is on track to be the second best selling PS system, I don’t think there’s a lot of people who refused to buy a PS4 because of the paid online.



NoCtiS_NoX said:
Here's my take on it. Sony is not worried atm bec. as someone already said they are not direct competitor atm.
But in the near future they will be worried because switch will have the 3rd party games that they don't have now.
That will steal console from sony. The question is how are they going to battle this?

Ps4 is 4 years will be 5 next year. They may be forced to release ps5 in 2019 and that will be the real competitor of switch. A lot of fans seems to ignore this. Switch will be on the position again the same as wii. Popular but unable to get the demanding games from ps5 or the next xbo.

Think of the biggest mainstream games. Do you see the people playing those buying a Switch to play on them on it? I just don’t see that happening. 



Intrinsic said:
Errrr.....

I think this thread has taken his comment in that Q and A a little too far.....

I agree wholeheartedly, though Sony cannot underestimate every competitor in the market. You know, just to be on the safe side.



 
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vivster said:
Great, now they're gonna copy Nintendo's paid online system.

Wait...

LMAOOOOOO



Lawlight said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:
Here's my take on it. Sony is not worried atm bec. as someone already said they are not direct competitor atm.
But in the near future they will be worried because switch will have the 3rd party games that they don't have now.
That will steal console from sony. The question is how are they going to battle this?

Ps4 is 4 years will be 5 next year. They may be forced to release ps5 in 2019 and that will be the real competitor of switch. A lot of fans seems to ignore this. Switch will be on the position again the same as wii. Popular but unable to get the demanding games from ps5 or the next xbo.

Think of the biggest mainstream games. Do you see the people playing those buying a Switch to play on them on it? I just don’t see that happening. 

The biggest games are Sports game and FPS games. I can see it happening Fifa and 2k is on Switch already. What's stopping madden next year?
But demanding games like open world games with high fidelity grapchics. I agree with you I don't see that. But in terms of other big 3rd party like Kingdom hearts, 3rd party games from Japan, mid tier games from the western side yes I see it coming to Swtich aswell.  



Only nintendo can get away with a handheld. Sony shit the bed with shitty memory cards and shit supply as well as short term support. If sony can "learn" anything it is not to use overpriced memory cards and actually support the device with games and supply. Yes I am salty on sony handhelds....

I hardly ever saw the vita on store shelves and had to buy mine used as i could not find them anywhere and this is when it was about a year old or so. The only love for sony is the playstation as it is the only thing they seem to really backup. nintendo is making something like 2 million switches a month now and its everywhere. Nintnedo might not do much right or things that make sense, but they know games and how to make the best experience for a handheld system. That has been true for over a decade with all the gameboy versions all the way to 3ds so they have had alot of experience.

As far as a paid online system, I am not paying for that unless it can at least do save game cloud backup, without that its useless to me. Sony has at least done that much.



 

OTBWY said:
Barkley said:

They're competing for time among two different groups of people. As the top-selling games on each will be evident, minimal crossover. They will have very different software libraries. It's not like the PS4/XBO, where the games are largely the same.

There is one group of people: People who want to play games. You haven't grasped what I said when I meant, they are competing for someone's gaming time. It is completely logical for Sony to be concerned with this.

So with PlayStation selling 17.2m units since January 1st this will be their highest selling year by far. The same year the Switch has launched strongly. I think I'll maintain my stance that the Switch and the PS4 are not in competition for sales.



I don't want Sony to make a portable phone with the PS4 OS, I don't see that doing well at all.