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fielding88 said:
VGPolyglot said:

You're saying that is if it's unreasonable for me to ask for proof, yet he keeps on saying "some people" without saying who he's even talking about, or which posts he is. So, I don't even know if he is talking about real people or just strawmen.

Okay, so the level of discourse in this entire topic has been atrocious. You asked for a fair amount of evidence that has been frequently refused. 

I could just say something like "It's pretty clear that the Switch has the potential of cannibalizing Sony sales. If you disagree, I look forward to your numbers that prove otherwise (since the burden of proof isnt on the person making the claim, right)." That's nonsense. How can you talk to that kind of statement?

If we want a higher level is discussion that isn't based on strawmen and vagaries, I'll help you out. I went through the MC thread looking at all of the cannibalism related pieces of discussion that happened before Kerotan started this echo chamber. Even if it didn't say the word 'cannibal,' but seemed kind of related, I posted it below: 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642332 -> mentions Switch taking share from PS4 (no cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642366 -> mentions Switch vs PS4 (no cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642395 -> ASKS whether Switch will start cannibalising PS4 as a point of discussion (yes cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642438 -> reiterates the question, with a personal conclusion (implied cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642452 -> Kerotan post about PS4 (no cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642481 -> replies to the question about cannibalism (yes cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642696 -> Kerotan replies to the post about cannibalism calling it a 'myth' (yes cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642739 -> replies to Kerotan and says the Switch is eating everyone's lunch (no cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642955 -> replies to Kerotan (yes cannibal)

Three people (including Kerotan) used this word before the thread was created. 

Three. 

Three does not make a myth. And one of them came in here and retracted the statement. 


Great post. 

 

You can argue whether it was a myth or not but the reality is this is going to become a new trend on those threads. Where people claim switch is taking ps4's sales when in reality it isn't. 



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Kerotan said:
fielding88 said:

Okay, so the level of discourse in this entire topic has been atrocious. You asked for a fair amount of evidence that has been frequently refused. 

I could just say something like "It's pretty clear that the Switch has the potential of cannibalizing Sony sales. If you disagree, I look forward to your numbers that prove otherwise (since the burden of proof isnt on the person making the claim, right)." That's nonsense. How can you talk to that kind of statement?

If we want a higher level is discussion that isn't based on strawmen and vagaries, I'll help you out. I went through the MC thread looking at all of the cannibalism related pieces of discussion that happened before Kerotan started this echo chamber. Even if it didn't say the word 'cannibal,' but seemed kind of related, I posted it below: 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642332 -> mentions Switch taking share from PS4 (no cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642366 -> mentions Switch vs PS4 (no cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642395 -> ASKS whether Switch will start cannibalising PS4 as a point of discussion (yes cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642438 -> reiterates the question, with a personal conclusion (implied cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642452 -> Kerotan post about PS4 (no cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642481 -> replies to the question about cannibalism (yes cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642696 -> Kerotan replies to the post about cannibalism calling it a 'myth' (yes cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642739 -> replies to Kerotan and says the Switch is eating everyone's lunch (no cannibal)
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8642955 -> replies to Kerotan (yes cannibal)

Three people (including Kerotan) used this word before the thread was created. 

Three. 

Three does not make a myth. And one of them came in here and retracted the statement. 


Great post. 

 

You can argue whether it was a myth or not but the reality is this is going to become a new trend on those threads. Where people claim switch is taking ps4's sales when in reality it isn't. 

That's absolutely not true. The only reason cannibalism didn't die after the first two people mentioned it was because you brought it up well after that discussion died. You have no proof to claim something as nonsensical as that. 

I look forward to your proof to back it up, though, at which point I'll gladly concede. 

But this time I'm not helping you.



VGPolyglot said:
Lawlight said:

Even if he was talking about specific posts, you’re still asking him to go through hundreds of posts. To what end? Who know. What will you do if he links to those posts?

You're saying that is if it's unreasonable for me to ask for proof, yet he keeps on saying "some people" without saying who he's even talking about, or which posts he is. So, I don't even know if he is talking about real people or just strawmen.

Looks like someone did that. Now what?



Kerotan said:
Jranation said:

I wonder why..... Maybe cause it doesn't break any rules or standards? 

Personally I'd call it spam and the mods did say they'd crack down on posts like the ones you make but looks like they never followed through. 

 

Why do you wrote such short pointless posts? Are you trying to increase your post count or something?

No



Pocky Lover Boy! 

FloatingWaffles said:
Lawlight said:

He has his opinion and you’re free to say why you disagree. I don’t even one person has done that so far.

Yes he has his own opinion but again he started the thread off with calling anyone who thinks that the Switch is eating PS4's sales as wrong basically by declaring it a 'myth' according to him immediately. Not much of a discussion to have if he already has his foot firmly planted on one side and won't even consider what anyone else says. Again, the thread was basically just "agree with me or you're wrong" from the beginning. 

That’s what I’m feeling to. In fact, this and the media create thread are steering into really weird territory. Discussion is seeing both sides, not having one side state their claim and then reemphasize the same thing when others are trying to say something. I have no issue on people expressing how successful the PS4 has, and currently, been. It’s doing great no doubt. But let’s also not make backhanded excuses as to why the Switch is doing well, especially in Japan in which it took a while for the PS4 to even outsell the Wii U. All this talk about cannibalizing/non-cannibalizing, Switch is not a home console/is a home console/hybrid/unicorn/Big Foot/whatever, the need for an AMEX card to get further discounts in Australia, Switch is sold out/not sold out, etc. is getting out of hand.

I’ll say this. Switch and PS4 are doing well in Japan, Switch more so when you look at the rate it’s going at comparatively to the PS4. Now, announcements of Switch/PS4 games are starting to show themselves. In the end, seeing both succeed is great, right? 



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Jranation said:
Kerotan said:

Personally I'd call it spam and the mods did say they'd crack down on posts like the ones you make but looks like they never followed through. 

 

Why do you wrote such short pointless posts? Are you trying to increase your post count or something?

No

So, what is the reason?



Lawlight said:
Jranation said:

No

So, what is the reason?

I've got nothing more to say. I usually do it because I agree with the comment. 



Pocky Lover Boy! 

Lawlight said:
VGPolyglot said:

You're saying that is if it's unreasonable for me to ask for proof, yet he keeps on saying "some people" without saying who he's even talking about, or which posts he is. So, I don't even know if he is talking about real people or just strawmen.

Looks like someone did that. Now what?

Now you know this mountain was really a molehill.

The entire conversation about cannibalism was exhausted before Kerotan brought it up again. 

And now look at what happened. 

The criticism of this entire thread is valid. 



You are right Kerotan, the Switch is not eating into PS4 sales in Japan. As you pointed out last year saw Final Fantasy, the Pro, the Slim and a price cut. It's perfectly normal for sales to be down a bit and we don't even know yet how the PS4 will sell during the holiday season in Japan.

In general, pointing out "declining" sales shortly before the holiday period is useless anyways: Back during the PS3 vs 360 days the PS3 would win most of the year but then Microsoft had these awesome Christmas promotions and thanks to Black Friday and the holidays would pass PS3 yearly sales. Same applies here: A single week in late December can eradicate most of the decline in sales that has accumulated over the whole year - the holiday period is so important for yearly sales, it can't be stressed enough (think of the 3DS in 2011 or the original DS in 2005, which trailed behind the PSP for most of the year and then sold a freaking 600k units in a single week in Japan).

The Switch also doesn't seem to draw any software support from the PS4 in Japan. Some titles are multiplatform now but that's to be expected. The Switch is instead usurping PS Vita and 3DS support (which was also to be expected). So yes, I agree with your original post.



fielding88 said:
Lawlight said:

Looks like someone did that. Now what?

Now you know this mountain was really a molehill.

The entire conversation about cannibalism was exhausted before Kerotan brought it up again. 

And now look at what happened. 

The criticism of this entire thread is valid. 

No, it’s not. At least it wouldn’t have been if it wasn’t for the derailing.