Using the "real" numbers actually shows a much better decline in unemployment figures.  It makes Obama look even BETTER than the numbers you were originally using. 

Congratulations, it looks like he wound up strengthening your position!  Reality has its way of asserting Itself even when people refuse to accept it XD

Oh it trended downward from 16! Such progress! Going back to 9 is nothing special, my point is that the economy could do that by itself. They were fudging the numbers. Using the U-3 as a sign of economic progress is a joke. Claiming that the U-6 unemployment being 7.3 today because of a trending Obama’s economic policy is a joke. It took his whole 8 years to get back to shitty status, where as the trump policies would have cut that in half at least.

Lmao laughable... wow that squiggly line is much larger! You showed him!

That makes it any less of a joke how?

Going from 16% to 9% and going from 9% to 4% are completely different things. The measurements themselves are different. I never said Obama’s himself fudged the numbers. I said your graph was bullshit and it is. Did you even know about u-6 before I brought it up?

“You guys were trying to say Obama's administration fudged the numbers.”
I never said Obama did anything, I said your chart was bullshit and it is fudged numbers. Why isn’t U-6 the official number? So they can go on TV and brag about their unemployment numbers.


“You guys were trying to say real unemployment (U-6) stayed way high under Obama and only now under Trump has it decreased.”
I never said that either... I never said it didn’t decrease, i said it was the real number and it was still high and it was. It has dramatically decreased under trump in a year and a half. You said it because of Obama’s economic policy and I told you you were full of shit.

I never really like to connect economy with a president purely because the market is an entirely different monster. I think Trump's Pro-American Job policy has convinced some companies to invest once again, but in hindsight this demographic is likely overblown by MSM to simplify it to the casual audience.


Sure the economy did gradually get better under Obama, but we had a crash so bad that we were gonna name it the Great Depression, but since that already happened they changed it to Recession at the last moment. Obama could've put both hands under his rear end the whole time and the market would have likely corrected itself the way it ended up doing. To say that Obama fixed the economy is a borderline fantasy statement that doesn't take the whole picture into account, and same goes for Trump.

Exactly. In fact, it would have gotten to that point much faster if not for those economic policies. It went back down to 9% in spite of him. They couldn’t name one policy that drove those numbers down. What was it, shutting down the coal mines? Sending our jobs to other countries? Taking over the health insurance companies? 

What Pro - American Job policy did Trump institute that you believe has convinced companies to invest once again.  Are we seeing trends under this administration where the number of jobs are more than what was under the previous administration.  Hell, I do not even believe we have enough data from this Administration to make such assumption.  If anything the trend seems to be the same which means Trump did a good job not Fing anything up.  We will see how long that goes with the Tariffs.  No matter how you look at it, this will start to impact the country.  It will be interesting to see if Trump stays his course if things get bad or will he show weakness and cave in.  

Personally I believe he will hold fast, until its so bad that he will have no choice but to cave in.  Other nations already are making deals without the US gearing up for a fight.  

I am pretty positive you will find something else to use once these numbers cannot be used to as any indication of Trump success.  Just like Trump was using the stock market as an indication of his success until the bottom fell out, I am sure we will see the same thing here as well.  So what economic policies did Trump bring about that help with job growth.  How many months has he consistently had better Job growth over Obama in the last 4 years.  How many of those coal mines are now going strong under Trump.  How many jobs are still going overseas under Trump. Has any of his polices actually been in effect long enough to even measure any real change over the previous administration.  Its not like this stuff ever changes on a dime but it seems you want to give all the credit to Trump as if any trend shows he is doing a better job then the last.