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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577

Trump went into the G7 meeting,
Demanded, Russia reinstated - we said no
Blames everyone else for the tariffs - we looked at him like he was insane.
Starts screaming about ending all trade with the west -the world laughs at him.
Farted loudly, blames it on Ivanka.
Rates the meeting a 10/10



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Trump had an excellent meeting with chubby North Korean Chairman, Kim Jong-Un. Kim Jong-Un was cheered by fans on streets and he posed in selfies with adoring fans before the Trump meeting in Singapore. Kim Jong-Un is a great leader and Trump is now a fan. Donald Trump can learn a lot by the strong leadership of Kim Jong-Un. The North Korean people adore their beloved leader, chubby Kim Jong-Un. The Trump-Kim Jong-Un meeting may lead to free trade in North Korea, stronger relations with North and South Korea and North Korea becomes as a tourist destination.



massimus said:
Machiavellian said:

I would not consider that a good thing.  You get something then you cancel a agreement.  What it does is make it look like the American president cannot be trusted.  When your word is your bond, why would anyone trust you after that.  Now when you go into Negotiations, they will bring up that very incident, show where you have either lied or been deceitful and thus ask for the world.  There is nothing really smart about how he goes about negotiations.  First he threatens then he wants to go to the table believe these countries must deal the way he sees fit.  The problem is that they will all just sit tight and see what happens in 2 years or 6.  Also, since we do not know, how things will go with these negotiations, you cannot really give him any credit until the ink drys on the agreement.  

That's because you are looking at it wrong. The hostages were not a part of the negotiations, he didn't go back on his word the meeting is still on. When NK stopped taking calls on the summit and were talking shit about Pence and others then Trump canceled the meeting. The NKs were begging to be back at the table the next day. He doesn't take shit from them and it scares them. My point is that the negotiations themselves are great and new. They might fail on their face but the attempt is progress. The hostages were just being a good president. He personally released 17 hostages in his first year and pardoned a bunch of people as well.  He pardoned Scooter Libby to take a jab at Mueller and even Kim Kardashian's friend as a celebrity President. That's unheard of but it's not unconstitutional, it's nontraditional. It's well within the authority of the President but they usually wait to the end of their presidency to do most of that stuff. He is good at negotiations, I'm a free market guy so I loathe the tariff system. That's for countries without an income tax. He's using tariffs to jab our allies in the face. It's a shakeup for sure but it's not destroying anything. Like a big brother terrorizing his sibling. Lower your tariffs and i'll lower mine, lower your tariffs and i'll lower mine. When you actually look at the broader scope of things it can be comedic genius.

No, I was not looking at it wrong.  The hostages were a good faith deal heading up to the conference.  Good faith meaning that NK was willing to do this for nothing just to get things started.  If the US backs out then it appears they are not horning this agreement and look like they are not honorable.  I do not know if NK was begging to come back to the table since we only heard that statement from from Rudy and who in their right mind believes a word that comes out of his mouth.  Also after we see the agreement the President signed with NK, well, I can definitely see if they did begged for the meeting it was because school was about to be put in session.  Basically, Trump gave them everything they wanted which is to remove US presence from that part of the world.  This has long been something China has wanted for years, including NK.  In return we got nothing.  We got some vague statement that NK will try to do something but nothing hard or confirmed.  Nothing where we can actually even check to see if they are honoring the deal or anything.

Where exactly has he shone he is good at negotiations.  He said he would fix Health care, nothing.  He said he would fix Nafta, still waiting on something.  He institute tariffs but how exactly is that actually helping.  All the different nations will just do the same but they will target the people who voted for Trump like China.  Every government has Tariffs even the US.  He was suppose to negotiate first then if those do not go well, start to go this route but starting with a threat then thinking other nations are going to come to the table and make deals is not going to end well.  No nation including the US will allow themselves to be pressured by threats to make a deal.  Instead, those other nations will strike back and wait.  They can easily see how the next election goes or even wait 6 years until Trump is out.  What Trump believe is that these nations will suddenly cave in but most of this stuff takes years to negotiate so they already know they can sit and play the game for as long as he is in office.

Its not comedic genius what it is total ignorance.  He has never govern and he has no political experience.  He goes to a summit and states he isn't going prepared and then gets his butt handed to him.  How many times can he continue to not prepare, study and just do his damn job without using his gut.  There is nothing smart about his approach and there hasn't been as a business man.  He loves to gamble but the stakes are a lot higher and the cost a lot deeper when you playing with millions of people lives instead of a business you can go bankrupt on using other people money.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Trump had an excellent meeting with chubby North Korean Chairman, Kim Jong-Un. Kim Jong-Un was cheered by fans on streets and he posed in selfies with adoring fans before the Trump meeting in Singapore. Kim Jong-Un is a great leader and Trump is now a fan. Donald Trump can learn a lot by the strong leadership of Kim Jong-Un. The North Korean people adore their beloved leader, chubby Kim Jong-Un. The Trump-Kim Jong-Un meeting may lead to free trade in North Korea, stronger relations with North and South Korea and North Korea becomes as a tourist destination.

If also means high quality of life for the ~25 million living there, that would be worthy of one of those nobel prize thingies as well.



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There have been a number of better peace deals between US and North Korea that have failed in the past. It is highly likely this laughable meeting between Trump-Kim Jong-Un will end in a failed deal, with North Korea breaking its promises like it has done in the past. Time will reveal all and do not be surprised if this deal ends up being another failure like one of Trump's failed Casino resorts.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:

There have been a number of better peace deals between US and North Korea that have failed in the past. It is highly likely this laughable meeting between Trump-Kim Jong-Un will end in a failed deal, with North Korea breaking its promises like it has done in the past. Time will reveal all and do not be surprised if this deal ends up being another failure like one of Trump's failed Casino resorts.

Actually this deal has a very good chance of succeeding because there really isn't anything there.  There is nothing on the US side that checks and make sure NK honoring anything, and NK gets the US out of their terrority, out of SK which is what NK real masters, China wants.  Hell the agreement basically is a way for the US to pull troops out of the area without really doing anything to helm in NK nuclear program.  As for Trump, now another brutal dictator is a very nice person.



Nate Silver, the left-leaning data analyst, had a striking observation on Twitter: "90% of the punditocracy's commentary on the Singapore summit seems to be constructed with the goal of convincing people that Trump shouldn't get any credit for it—rather than rationally analyzing the merits and demerits of the 'deal.'"

And an article a few months ago stating that 90% of Trump coverage is negative.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/6/trump-coverage-still-90-negative-says-new-study/

Such unbiased news we have. It's not a wonder majority of people in all of the topics dealing with Trump are spouting things about how he is doing shit or whatever he did, did not help the situation. Funny seeing people sit and blame Trump for all things North Korea and how he is going to be solely responsible for anything that happens. Then good stuff starts happening and people start going, oh Trump had nothing to do with it and it was 100% china and south korea's doing. Ect.

Hell everytime I read about something, I need to make sure I use a source that is not FoxNews cause otherwise people will not believe it. It's at those times you realize how much the other media outlets are biased. It could be a straight up article stating something as matter of fact as the sun rose today, yet can only find say 1 in 10 of the other outlets managed to report on it.



irstupid said: 


And an article a few months ago stating that 90% of Trump coverage is negative.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/6/trump-coverage-still-90-negative-says-new-study/

Such unbiased news we have. 

Biased in favor of accuracy.  When presented with the  product of an unbroken chain of bad decisions, quite often the only objective review is a scathing one.  Maybe if Dear Leader would govern competently he'd get better press.



SuaveSocialist said:
irstupid said: 


And an article a few months ago stating that 90% of Trump coverage is negative.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/6/trump-coverage-still-90-negative-says-new-study/

Such unbiased news we have. 

Biased in favor of accuracy.  When presented with the  product of an unbroken chain of bad decisions, quite often the only objective review is a scathing one.  Maybe if Dear Leader would govern competently he'd get better press.

I'm sorry but no. I'm not a big Trump fan either, but the mainstream news media is absolute garbage. Even when he does something good, they'll do a negative spin on it. Look at this recent summit. They're talking how Trump is making a deal with a man who starves his own people and imprisons them and tortures them. Yet a few months ago at the Olympics, the media wouldn't shut up about how hot Kim Jong Un's sister was. Where was the brutal dictator talk then? They didn't mention it because Trump and Kim weren't on good terms then. That's just one example. There are many, many more. The truth is the candidate that the media wanted didn't win and they're never going to give Trump a break while he is president. The only time they'll give him a break is 10 years from now when he's out of office and no longer a political threat. He'll join the boys club with Bush and Clinton and will be handled differently. That is what happened with Bush 43. He was by all accounts one of the worst presidents in modern history. The media wasn't too kind to him, even though the media was still very pro-war. If you look at the media's coverage of Bush 43 now, they'll talk about him in a nostalgic way, as if having two major wars and a near-economic collapse was somehow considered the good old days.

This isn't just my opinion. For President Jimmy Carter said the same thing. We're talking about a man who is very old, who has seen many presidents come and go throughout his life and who received quite a bit of negative news coverage when he was president say that no president during his lifetime has ever received as much negative news as Trump has. Jimmy Carter doesn't even agree with Trump on many issues and has no real reason to defend him, so that is saying something.



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