You beat me to it. You make very good points. For years many have been saying (and evidence proves it) that TV console sales have been falling rapidly over the last decade in Japan whereas Nintendo handheld sales have been rocketing.

Sony knows this, MS definitely knows this and more importantly Nintendo knows and has totally exploited this. The trick is to give the Japanese a console they can hold in their hands and you have a good chance of success.

The reality is that the rest of the world is significantly more important than Japan and MS - as you stated - sold a very good amount of consoles without their support.

Sony is doing very well now without any groudbreaking sales in Japan. It is what is is.

Yes, it would help if Japan still bought TV consoles in significant numbers but the reality is that it doesn't and Sony and MS must and has accepted this and moved on.

Your observation is pushing the notion that it's competing more as a portable vs home consoles which is untrue it's competing fully as a Hybrid that's where it sits in the market that's what my post is highlighting to you.

No you just assume that 50% is more geared towards handheld when in actual fact the data tells us flat out it's being used as a hybrid device like intended with people using it according to their gaming habits, using it in portable mode doesn't really do that much for your point either because many households have shared TVs so undocked mode comes into play then as well.

Yeah it exploded but I would prefer a small count of post but quality ones and focusing on the sales. Instead of bullying, shit posting, calling out user which derails the thread. 

Oh, yes, it's the one I linked too. I do think it's weird, because I can't really understand from where all these consumers are coming. If PS4+X1 sales had plummeted, it would make sense. But it looks like a completely different crowd.

That's true. Either way it wouldn't make it jump enough to be even top 20. And just the fact that the publisher didn't mind not releasing it yet on the west show that they were not expecting massive sales.

The Switch is basically exactly what Japanese gamers wanted all the time. Spot on. I think if Sony had a console like the Switch, they would just end up being destroyed by MS.

I'm starting to believe that the consumers for Sony and Nintendo consoles are quite different. MS competes for the same crowd as Sony, but Nintendo seems to be selling to a completely different market. And this is a great thing, it shows that we had like a big dormant market that nobody was trying to satisfy.

I'm not sure Sony could create a console that would appeal to Japan without risking losing the rest of the world. And that's risky. The Sony market demands 3rd party games, while the Switch crowd doesn't seem that much interested. This is also pretty interesting because Nintendo has a broken relation with 3rd parties dating from the 90s, so they figured out the situation by creating a business where only their own games matter (TBH, they always cared only about their own software).

Starting to believe? Lol

But yes PS/XB primarily fight over the same crowd. We can get a pretty good idea of that based on the fact that the biggest games on each platform tend to be similar (shooters, sports, open world) and the fact that this looks to be the 3rd generation in a row where PS+XB sales are about the same (170-180m).

We can see that Nintendo doesnt fight directly against them based on the fact that their big sellers are not typically in the same franchises or genres and their sales fluctuate while PS+XB remains quite stable. Nintendo's success comes down to how well they are able to appeal to various demographics such as woman, children & families that PS/XB many times neglect.

As for 3rd parties on Nintendo, they can and have been successful, they just arent the typical shooter/sports/open world games that dominate on PS/XB. Indies, Japanese and kid/family 3rd party games have had success on Nintendo.

I was going to ignore all that since you are doing it to me but now we have to stay on topic so I'll ask you the one thing you have been ignoring as it's on topic. 

Q4 last year in Japan we had ps4 price cut , pro, slim and FFXV. This q4 nothing like that. 

Now why would q4 sakes this year be as good in October and November when ps4 has none of those this year? 

Can't shift the goalposts now mate.

The vita is dying like all other traditional dedicated handheld devices. Sony have exited the market and Nintendo are doing the same by switching to a hybrid. Neither feel they are viable anymore. That market will die with the 3ds and vita.

In this thread I'm clearly saying it's sales are relevant and important.  In this thread you are saying they are shit. 

He misquoted the data. Nintendo's statistics showed that 30% of people spend 80% or more of the time in undocked mode, while 20% spent 80% or more in docked mode. The remaining 50% had smaller differences than a factor of 4, and were clumped together. But that still implies that there are 50% more people that use it primarily as a handheld, than there are people that use it primarily as a home console.

To claim that the part of the market it competes with is only the "hybrid" market is silly. Does it not compete with the PS4 because the PS4 isn't a hybrid? Of course not. The Switch and the PS4 compete... In the same way, you can make observations like how (according to Nintendo's own stats), users use it more as a handheld than a home console.

No, i said global PS4 sales are amazing and you responded that they are amazing in Japan as well.

I countered an exaggeration with an exaggeration, PS4 sales in Japan arent amazing and they arent shit. In reality they are somewhere in the middle, the mediocre-good range.

Didnt he though?Look where we are now.

Glad you agree that they are important and relevant to Sony. 

The argument can be made that they are amazing when you considered every other traditional home console of its generation bombed in Japan.