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Ail on 10 April 2008
FishyJoe said:
Ail said:
FishyJoe said:
Wait, they removed BC to lower the price. Japan now has the lowest PS3 prices at close to $310 street price. Now Sony is supposed to put BC back in after it's shut down that production line? It not like they can just flip a switch, they would have to reorder all the parts and retool the production line again. That stuff costs money.

Putting software emulation BC would not require them to change any of their production line ( and wound't actually cost them anything because the software has been developped anyway...)


Pure speculation. If it was so easy or cheap to do software emulation, why haven't they announced it? I'm not going to reargue that thread anyways, since thre are already a million pages on it.

The fact is that emulation doesn't exist now and it has not been announced in any way, shape or fashion by Sony.


What's in the 80Gb then ? I thought it didn't have the emotion engine...

Anyway they are still factories producing the 80Gb ( MGS4 bundle is 80Gb, tell me if I am wrong) so it woudn't be that hard for them to start selling the 80Gb model in Japan...



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FinalEvangelion on 10 April 2008
DMeisterJ said:
Does everyone remember the thread like this made a few months ago, about how the 'PSP is dead in Japan', and now the PSP is outselling all other platforms with no new releases? I think we're calling this just a little too early.

It'll be two years since PS3's launch this fall, and they are probably priming a Slimline PS3, as the Slimline PSP came out 2.5 yrs after launch. And we all know what that did in Japan. I'll reserve my judgment on the "death of ps3 in Japan", at least for a year or two.

 I am thinking the same thing.  For a very long time, the PSP was outsold by the DS the same rate the PS3 is outsold by the Wii.

 

This generation, anything has happened.  PS3 was as dead as a doornail in North America for all of 2007 - even less life than Japan, when taking into account the population.  



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Ail on 10 April 2008
Gnizmo said:
Ail said:

 


Those 2 models have been discontinued for close to 6 months and since then have been selling for a huge premium over the 40Gb on amazon and other sites where people resell their console which means the demand for models with BC is higher than for models with no BC right now...


They were discontinued on January 10th, 2008. 3 months to the day. There are certainly goin to still be pockets of supply for one willing to look. There is also 0 evidence that the 20/60gb are in greater demand than the 40gb. There is evidence of demand, but there is also a much smaller supply. Simply selling for more on Amazon is not evidence of greater 20/60gb demand compared to 40gb. People aren't going to start buying a system in droves for replacing a feature that was previously removed. Given that it is stabalizing around the same numbers as it was last year (this week being a normal lull) I don't see why that would be.

Putting software emulation BC would not require them to change any of their production line ( and wound't actually cost them anything because the software has been developped anyway...

Where is the program that emulates a PS2 purely through software for the PS3? I have never seen it, and it has never been released commercially. The 80gb uses partial software emulation, but the 40gb model lacks the hardware to pull that off. Please keep making up facts though. It makes it easier to prove you wrong.

PSP has ONE Monster Hunter.

You discount the Wii's upcoming games on the one hand and then praise Monster Hunter in the other? Not exactly a good move. You pump up RE5, but forget games like Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles and Tales of Symphonia which both pulled similar numbers last gen. Look up some numbers before you go down the blind fanboy route of saying every big series is popular everywhere. It would be astounding for RE5 to sell more than 500k copies on a single system based on the sales decline of the series in Japan.


Selling for more on Amazon means there is a demand that is not satisfied, if those people didn't want BC they just would buy the the 40Gb at a cheaper price...

So if there was a SKU with some BC ( say the 80GB) it would increase the sales some...

Especially when you notice every other week a new PS2 game release still creeping in the top 10 sales...

Last I checked Japan is the only market that has had PS2 titles numerous times in top 10 weekly sales this year ( GH3 might have popped once or twice in US sales).

 



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RedArmia on 10 April 2008
Gnizmo said:
@Crazzyman

Monster Hunter 3?

 Mh is nothing special on home consoles for whatever reason it has done a hell of alot better ton PSP user bsse then PS2 massive one.

 MH on DS would have been huge. 



Gnizmo on 10 April 2008
Ail said:

 


Selling for more on Amazon means there is a demand that is not satisfied, if those people didn't want BC they just would buy the the 40Gb at a cheaper price...

So if there was a SKU with some BC ( say the 80GB) it would increase the sales some...

Especially when you notice every other week a new PS2 game release still creeping in the top 10 sales...


There is some level of demand that isn't satisfied, but that isn't entirely for the BC aspect of the PS3. Simply announcing continued production would kill some of the demand for the 20/60gb because they are now collectors items. Without any concrete numbers on how many are being sold and why they are being bought it is not possible to gauge if the increase would be significant or worth the cost of restarting the closed assembly lines. The 80gb is an option, and announced in Japan. Whether or not that model will have BC throguh partial software I am unsrue of, but I think it is a safe bet to say it will. I have some nagging memory of SSJ12 posting something showing it was just a 40gb with a bigger HDD, but I could be insane. If they don't I imagine there must be some reason as currently only America has the 80gb as an option.

What's in the 80Gb then ? I thought it didn't have the emotion engine...

Originally it had the processor and graphics card. The 80gb took out one of them, but kept the other. Thats all I remember off hand, but wikipedia should have more specific info if you want it.



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CrazzyMan on 10 April 2008
Gnizmo said:
@Crazzyman

Monster Hunter 3?

Good, i recently mentioned Pokemon and looked at Pokemon sales on Home consoles and handhelds. And guess what, mega popular Pokemon on handheld is not so popular on Home console, well atleast since N64 or for last 10 years.

And yes people don`t forget PS3 slim, there were soem rumors about PS3 slim this year. Well, who knows. =))

p.s. and i believe, Sony will release ps2 emulator for 40GB version, but later, because for now it`s not good for ps2 sales, which WW since January outselling x360. =)



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

Gnizmo on 10 April 2008
RedArmia said:
Gnizmo said:
@Crazzyman

Monster Hunter 3?

 Mh is nothing special on home consoles for whatever reason it has done a hell of alot better ton PSP user bsse then PS2 massive one.

 MH on DS would have been huge. 


We haven't seen what will happen with a console Monster Hunter game since the success of the PSP. It is possible that the series is only popular on hand-helds, or it is possible the games are just that much better. Either way with its increased popularity, and based on old console sales the game will be as big as MGS4 in Japan. It is very reasonable to expect the game to sell 800k lifetime all things considered even if you assume most of the success will be limited to handhelds.



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Gnizmo on 10 April 2008
CrazzyMan said:
Gnizmo said:
@Crazzyman

Monster Hunter 3?

Good, i recently mentioned Pokemon and looked at Pokemon sales on Home consoles and handhelds. And guess what, mega popular Pokemon on handheld is not so popular on Home console, well atleast since N64 or for last 10 years.

And yes people don`t forget PS3 slim, there were soem rumors about PS3 slim this year. Well, who knows. =))

p.s. and i believe, Sony will release ps2 emulator for 40GB version, but later, because for now it`s not good for ps2 sales, which WW since January outselling x360. =)


The game will pull sales close to MGS4 even if the hand held popularity of the handheld series does not transfer to the console version.



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Final-Fan on 11 April 2008
Final-Fan said:
Kyros said:
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When was the last time a console with graphics of the last generation won? Never. The best graphics may not be important but good graphics have always been important. So until now the Wii is an exception to the rule. Let's see if that stays like this.
When was the last time a console with "graphics of the last generation" even existed launching alongside 'this-gen' graphics consoles? Never. (Well, maybe there was some obscure piece of trash with no games, I don't know, but basically never.)

But if you look at handhelds, you can clearly see that the incentive of graphics can easily be overcome by other incentives. The original Game Boy destroyed all comers without even trying, despite systems like the Game Gear having many good games and vastly superior graphics. Handhelds ran on AA batteries at the time and battery life was the overriding factor. In this case the Wii's controller is what is propelling it to victory, aided by price, ease of development, etc.
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starcraft on 11 April 2008
DMeisterJ said:
bluesinG said:
DMeisterJ said:
Price Price, Price.

People need to stop arguing that the PS3 is losing (and/or that the Wii is winning) mostly due to price. In the 4 home console generations since 1986, the cheapest console (Dreamcast/Gamecube, Nintendo 64, Genesis, Atari 7800) has never sold best. NEVER.


Thank your for cropping out the rest of my response.

I said a Slim PS3 and a lower price would change things. Please don't augment responses to fit your rebuttal.


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