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surprised by 2700u's performance?

yes 46 51.69%
 
no 43 48.31%
 
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They will be monsters by the time of their announcement.
They will be midrange by launch.
They will be outdated a year after launch.

Just like every gen.



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vivster said:
"Monsters" aka the "midrange of tomorrow".

Aka. Low-end half way through the cycle.
A Geforce 1030 which is the lowest of the lowest-end in nVidia's product stack can give a Radeon 7850/PS4 a run for it's money and smashes the Xbox One.



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Pemalite said:
vivster said:
"Monsters" aka the "midrange of tomorrow".

Aka. Low-end half way through the cycle.
A Geforce 1030 which is the lowest of the lowest-end in nVidia's product stack can give a Radeon 7850/PS4 a run for it's money and smashes the Xbox One.

Yet that lowest of the lowest gpu in the ps4 produces better graphics with its exclusives than a pc with a $1000 gpu and has consistently medium to high quality settings according to DF in multiplats, now imagine a ps5 that has a gpu that smahes that $1000 gpu in a couple years and make the best looking games of today (God of War, Detroit, Ghost  of Tsushima, TLOU2) look like last gen.

But even with multiplats, how does a geforce 1030 run Asscreed Origins? It runs it at ps2 quality very low settings at 1080p with awful screen tearing

vs PS4's nearly constant 1080p



Pemalite said:
vivster said:
"Monsters" aka the "midrange of tomorrow".

Aka. Low-end half way through the cycle.
A Geforce 1030 which is the lowest of the lowest-end in nVidia's product stack can give a Radeon 7850/PS4 a run for it's money and smashes the Xbox One.

Geforce 1030 is like 1,127 Tflops.... and its performance is abit under a Geforce 750 ti.

Thats well below a PS4 in terms of performance.

Heck this Ryzen 2700u could beat a 1030 in terms of performance, and at 15-25watts.

While a geforce 1030 alone is 30watts+ (without counting in a systems cpu).



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Intrinsic said:
DonFerrari said:

Not talking about same HW, but comparable... but thanks for the explanation.

I'm not talking about same hardware either, but talking about comparable hardware.

The issue is that we are talking consoles here.

You either have the exact same hardware (albeit smaller if built on a smaller fabrication process) or you have something that can emulate the hardware, which usually requires you have something that is significantly more powerful.

And if you want this thing to support all the games on the PS4 now, then you have 3 options.

 

  1. the devs are going to go and do some extensive work on all their games to make them support some new exotic hardware
  2. you brute force your way through it by having much much much more powerful hardware in the handheld than whats in the PS4 now so you can emulate it so the devs won't have to do anything
  3. you basically take the APU, memory config (size and bandwith) that we have in the PS4slim today and somehow get all that to fit in something about the size of the NS. with a power draw no more than 15-17W unless you want to play untethered for 30mins at a time.

    I'm sorry, but thats just impossible in 2-3yrs when 7/10nm chipsenter the market. Maybe in 2023-2025 when we may have 3/4nm chips.

 

Man you got me wrong.

I'm not talking about making a PS4 Portable. I'm talking about making a PS5 Portable (that sure could have power similar to PS4), but that both HW the console and the hibrid (7 or 10") could run the same game with compromise. I got some answer on the hard part for disc based and also that the scalability wouldn't be easy as turn the dial, but still not that it is impossible.

Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

Well can you please explain why or by how much in 2020 we couldn't have a PS4-like portable?

In 2020 it could be possible.
But it's not currently possible with today's technology, we can get "close enough" though.

The biggest issue is going to be memory bandwidth... Mobile devices typically need to use low-voltage DDR, LPDDR4 isn't scaling high enough in clockrates to be a viable alternative to the GDDR5 in the Playstation 4 just yet.

AMD and nVidia are slowly making use/getting around limited bandwidth via technologies like Delta Colour Compression and Tiled Rasterization with better culling... But there is still 100GB/s or more of bandwidth to make up for.

Things might change once LPDDR5 becomes common place.

for a 720p or 1080p display on a 7-10" hybrid would you agree that it would be possible to have this version of the PS5 (sure with lot of compromise and perhaps power level of PS4)? Sure there are some technical burdens today, but designing from ground up I don't think it would be impossible (but it could ne uninteresting).



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The PS5 and Xbox4 might be close to my current rig/performance wise it will be epic to see what developers like naughty dog and rare can pull from it, really good times are here and more are coming.

As long as they have Physical Disc support, I will buy both.




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Pemalite said:
vivster said:
"Monsters" aka the "midrange of tomorrow".

Aka. Low-end half way through the cycle.
A Geforce 1030 which is the lowest of the lowest-end in nVidia's product stack can give a Radeon 7850/PS4 a run for it's money and smashes the Xbox One.

Ehhhhh no. A 1050 is on par with a 7850, a 1030 only equals the 7750 - which is weaker than the GPU in the Xbox ONE. The PS4 is actually in between 1050 and 1050 Ti in power.

Still, these are low level cards, so the point still stands, it's just not as dramatic as you make it out.



Damn.. future games gonna cost so much to develop



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malistix1985 said:
The PS5 and Xbox4 might be close to my current rig/performance wise it will be epic to see what developers like naughty dog and rare can pull from it, really good times are here and more are coming.

As long as they have Physical Disc support, I will buy both.

What has rare done that actually demands power or even uses it? You probably are not saying anything of the sort and im reading iinto it, but you putting rare and naughty dog together next to graphical expectation is a little bizzare to me.



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