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SuperNova said:
Madword said:

Its common in the industry when you want to get rid of someone (mostly someone who you dont want to work for the company because they are a problem employee) you offer then salary x so many months (I've seen it happen in the UK at two different companies - not me but others, so I guess this could happen in the USA). Personally 20K is high, but apparently whats being said over at Neogaf this is quite a normal amount as it can take into account other factors such as time in Lieu etc.

Dont know why people assume that sony are paying him off, they could have just been trying to get him out of the company. The guy said himself he was having a breakdown, doesnt sound like an employee around if they are in that state. Not saying this is right or wrong, but there is so much in the air, too many people making assumptions one way or another.

Uh, he said he was having a breakdown because he was being sexually harrassed. There's as little evidence to suggest that he was a 'problem employee' as there is for anything else, so attemting to play down his own accord by twisting his own words isn't helping the situation any.

You, or 'people on neogaf' went through way bigger leaps of assumptions, to make Dave Ballard seem like an implicit liar, then I ever did when I basically said: If there's any truth to his story, they would not admit to that in an official PR statement.

And even if he was just having a regular old breakdown in an industry that is rife with bad working conditions, no security, exploitation of employees and the suitably mystified 'crunch' and their respose to a mental health issue is: 'take money and get lost', they are still scumbags.

Wich doesn't change that all of this is speculation.

There is little evidence of anything right now, thats the point most of us are trying to make. I owe neither party anything, I'm just telling you what happens in business. Severance pay is normal, could that be construed as a payout, of course, could they be trying to pay him off, of course.

Crunch is bad, most of us have never done the types of crunch that apparently these guys do, but even doing a small number of hours over and pressure can really make you depressed and for some people it can lead to breakdowns. Thats why the industry loves younger people cause they seem to be able to hack it more than older people. At no point did I say crunch is good, its not.

I dont know what happened, but nor does anyone else on the web, but I am just telling you that crunch is bad, people you work with can be bad, people having breakdowns can be bad. Perhaps he had a bastard of a boss or lead, totally plausible because people have had awful bosses, but on the other shoe perhaps he's one of those employees who are just so much hard work or a total nightmare. The issue I have is people are stating matter of factly that a tweet is 100%.



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Jumpin said:
DivinePaladin said:
I think there's a lot left to this story that's going to come out over time, if it is in fact a story. The moment PlayStation's HR got involved is the moment I started speculating. It's a shame to say, but in many US companies the HR acts to protect the company, not the workers. I can absolutely see things playing out as it did, with both sides technically telling the truth - if the HR rep blew a whistle, then he/she wouldn't have kept a record; ND would have no record because PlayStation was involved already; all the while this man may have been sexually harassed, and presumably by a lead high enough up that the PlayStation HR rep felt it more important to protect Uncharted 4's upcoming launch, ND, and by extension Sony by escalating this quickly.

This all sounds like conspiracy obviously, and I'm not fond of speculating this much, but it's food for thought on an issue where people are already drawing battle lines for some reason

HR stands for Human Resources; they’re common across all corporations. It is their job to handle sevrance packages. It’s not at all weird that they’re involved with this, it’s standard procedure - not a conspiracy.

You seem to have missed the point of what I said entirely. I know what HR stands for (fun fact, technically I work HR, so yeah) but especially in the US, in larger corporations, the focus tends to be on protecting the company at the end of the day, not necessarily the individual employee.  Coincidentally just today on Reddit near the top of /r/all is a thread full of (anecdotal) stories reminding people that HR is nothing close to your friend in many companies. 

 

It's a shame to say, but things don't work the way they're designed to. It's naive to think something like this can't happen the way it's described. The burden of proof will obviously fall on the employee here, though. That's why I'm leaving my mind open until the story fully develops. 



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Jumpin said:

He also claimed that his standard NDA severance bonus (usually an additional 3-12 months pay, depending on length of service) was a bribe so he wouldn’t say anything about sexual assault. If they really were trying to bribe him into not speaking about a sexual assault, it would be more than a paltry $20K, which is significantly under what he could sue for.

I am definitely no Sony or Naughty Dog fan; I am just pointing out that the guy’s evidence for the accusation is very shaky. It also doesn’t sound like something a video game company the size of Sony would risk.

Consider that he may not have wanted to sue, due to the exposure and embarrassment/shame it could bring.

Also, didn't he decline $20K?



Maybe Mr X [the Harrasser] will go on Twitter and say how much he had the hots for Dave.



The percentage of false reports in sexual harassment cases is very low (you can read some studies on it if you don't believe me, google is your friend), so this is most likely real as well. Why would anyone put this kind of attention on himself if it wasn't true? It's not like he has anything to win here if it is indeed a false accusation (there's no court case and he hasn't filed one)..



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I'd rather believe the guy is telling the truth. Even if there's no evidence.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Slade6alpha said:
Not supporting this dev anymore. Buying all future games used from now on.

doesn't seem like you were going to buy their games in the future anyways...

Was clearly a joke. 



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Slade6alpha said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

doesn't seem like you were going to buy their games in the future anyways...

Was clearly a joke. 

I konw, I was joking back



Madword said:
SuperNova said:

Uh, he said he was having a breakdown because he was being sexually harrassed. There's as little evidence to suggest that he was a 'problem employee' as there is for anything else, so attemting to play down his own accord by twisting his own words isn't helping the situation any.

You, or 'people on neogaf' went through way bigger leaps of assumptions, to make Dave Ballard seem like an implicit liar, then I ever did when I basically said: If there's any truth to his story, they would not admit to that in an official PR statement.

And even if he was just having a regular old breakdown in an industry that is rife with bad working conditions, no security, exploitation of employees and the suitably mystified 'crunch' and their respose to a mental health issue is: 'take money and get lost', they are still scumbags.

Wich doesn't change that all of this is speculation.

There is little evidence of anything right now, thats the point most of us are trying to make. I owe neither party anything, I'm just telling you what happens in business. Severance pay is normal, could that be construed as a payout, of course, could they be trying to pay him off, of course.

Crunch is bad, most of us have never done the types of crunch that apparently these guys do, but even doing a small number of hours over and pressure can really make you depressed and for some people it can lead to breakdowns. Thats why the industry loves younger people cause they seem to be able to hack it more than older people. At no point did I say crunch is good, its not.

I dont know what happened, but nor does anyone else on the web, but I am just telling you that crunch is bad, people you work with can be bad, people having breakdowns can be bad. Perhaps he had a bastard of a boss or lead, totally plausible because people have had awful bosses, but on the other shoe perhaps he's one of those employees who are just so much hard work or a total nightmare. The issue I have is people are stating matter of factly that a tweet is 100%.

Including me. It's in my original post. At what point did I ever say that any side here had the absolute truth? In fact I said there was little evidence in general and that it would be hard to get any proof whatsoever, one way or the other.

I tend to be careful about not flat out dissmissing a rape claim, but that is about as much courtesy as I've given in my original comment. I spoke in hypothesis, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to tell me about severence pays in the first place. I know it's a practice in the industry. Bringing them up in this context only makes sense as an attemt to deconstruct Ballards claims and nothing else. I'm not about to do that. Not if there is a chance that what he's saying is true.

I'm also not about to jump on Sony and fling wild accusations. Again, the gist of my comment was: If Sony is indeed the Company Ballard claims them to be, then this denail is not unexpected. I didn't take sides, I didn't state his claims as fact. So why you felt compelled to reply with a counter argument as to Ballards claims I am not sure.

I also didn't mean to imply you said crunch was good either. You brought up the hypothesis of Ballard having a breakdown and sony wanting to be rid of him and my reply was: Breakdowns are to be expected with the working consitions he likely faced. I wasn't trying to insinuate that it was you glorifying crunch, but higher ups in the industry often do, to justify abysmal working conditions and cost cutting. Maybe I could have made that clearer.

 

The following is just my own little rant about crunch, so feel free to ignore it, but maybe it will give you a little context to my prior comment:

Yes, crunch is bad and exploitative. We agree on that. I've worked crunch, though nothing over half a year, and I've seen my colleagues, faint, develop stomach ulcers, get panic attacks and high blood pressure, eating disorders and a multitude of other stress related side effects. I only got out because I reduced my hours to a manageble level (I had a good excuse because I went back to uni to a masters). We're talking about people in their early to mid twenties here, exactly the kind of young people who are supposedly better at handling crunch, but the truth is they are just much less in a position to say 'no' to it and much more vulnerable to exploitation. Every single one of the people I work with has developed a stress related illness of differing severety, add to that, that our direct superior would get rid of all of us in a heartbeat if she could afford it, but takes people leaving for better jobs in better studios as a personal slight.



Honestly from when I first read about this thing I found it somewhat weird.

He claims being sexually harassed, claims that he was offered $20k shut up money that he turned down. Mind you, if he was being offered something like that that is an admission of guilt.... and he would have gotten at least 10 times more if he took it seriously.

Then now he has been inspired to go all Watergate on us but didn't mention any names even after mentioning an attempt to pay him off.

I think there is something else to all this than what he's claiming.