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Hynad said:
Aeolus451 said:

Video games don't have seasons in the same way shows do so that's a mute point. it's just what they're called.

According to you, developers should give people an unlimited amount of extra content, no matter extensive the content, at no extra charge ever once you bought a 20$ season pass...

And there are other variations for what a season stands for. So your counter is moot.

lol. I didn't say any of that. So stop trying to make me defend things I didn't even say and pretending that ya defeated my points by going after a strawman position. 

Here's a normal use of a season pass and delivering what they said they would. Fallout 4 or witcher 3. They didn't create any more season passes for any more story based DLC or expansions. Ya got exactly what ya paid for.



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Tabata is a hard worker but fuck off, ff15 was the game with the worst metacritic, wake up square, WAKE THE FUCK UP.

The milking to this game is out of this world, we will never get a ff16 ...

You want ff16 now? ff15 just came out and the remake will be next. 



Aeolus451 said:
Hynad said:

According to you, developers should give people an unlimited amount of extra content, no matter extensive the content, at no extra charge ever once you bought a 20$ season pass...

And there are other variations for what a season stands for. So your counter is moot.

lol. I didn't say any of that. So stop trying to make me defend things I didn't even say and pretending that ya defeated my points by going after a strawman position. 

Here's a normal use of a season pass and delivering what they said they would. Fallout 4 or witcher 3. They didn't create any more season passes for any more story based DLC or expansions. Ya got exactly what ya paid for.

The same applies for FF XV.



Hynad said:
Aeolus451 said:

lol. I didn't say any of that. So stop trying to make me defend things I didn't even say and pretending that ya defeated my points by going after a strawman position. 

Here's a normal use of a season pass and delivering what they said they would. Fallout 4 or witcher 3. They didn't create any more season passes for any more story based DLC or expansions. Ya got exactly what ya paid for.

The same applies for FF XV.

No, it doesn't. FF XV was the same as the witcher 3 til they said "we got another season pass and more dlc for ya".

It's always been implied by devs that season passes are supposed to cover the major dlc for a game.



Aeolus451 said:
Hynad said:

The same applies for FF XV.

No, it doesn't. FF XV was the same as the witcher 3 til they said "we got another season pass and more dlc for ya".

It's always been implied by devs that season passes are supposed to cover the major dlc for a game.

What are you talking about? The season pass you pay for has always included this, from day one:

1: Booster Pack
2: Episode Gladio
3: Holiday Pack
4: Episode Prompto
5: Episode Ignis
6: Comrades (Which was, at first, only called DLC 6: Expansion Pack)

And that is exactly what you get for what you paid for. On top of that, they're releasing game updates that incorporate new in-game features (like the Regalia Type-D, Magitek armor and Ragnarok sword) and new story sequences.

The Witcher 3 included its expansions in the season pass, mentioning from day one that it included the two expansions titled "Hearts of Stone" and "Blood and Wine". If they were to make another expansion, you can be sure they'd charge for it. 

In both cases, you knew from day one what you were going to get with the season pass.







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Hynad said:
Aeolus451 said:

No, it doesn't. FF XV was the same as the witcher 3 til they said "we got another season pass and more dlc for ya".

It's always been implied by devs that season passes are supposed to cover the major dlc for a game.

What are you talking about? The season pass you pay for has always included this, from day one:

1: Booster Pack
2: Episode Gladio
3: Holiday Pack
4: Episode Prompto
5: Episode Ignis
6: Comrades (Which was, at first, only called DLC 6: Expansion Pack)

And that is exactly what you get for what you paid for. On top of that, they're releasing game updates that incorporate new in-game features (like the Regalia Type-D, Magitek armor and Ragnarok sword) and new story sequences.

The Witcher 3 included its expansions in the season pass, mentioning from day one that it included the two expansions titled "Hearts of Stone" and "Blood and Wine". If they were to make another expansion, you can be sure they'd charge for it. 

In both cases, you knew from day one what you were going to get with the season pass.





Again, stop strawmanning or misreading what I wrote. Read that bolded part.

 



Aeolus451 said:
Hynad said:

What are you talking about? The season pass you pay for has always included this, from day one:

1: Booster Pack
2: Episode Gladio
3: Holiday Pack
4: Episode Prompto
5: Episode Ignis
6: Comrades (Which was, at first, only called DLC 6: Expansion Pack)

And that is exactly what you get for what you paid for. On top of that, they're releasing game updates that incorporate new in-game features (like the Regalia Type-D, Magitek armor and Ragnarok sword) and new story sequences.

The Witcher 3 included its expansions in the season pass, mentioning from day one that it included the two expansions titled "Hearts of Stone" and "Blood and Wine". If they were to make another expansion, you can be sure they'd charge for it. 

In both cases, you knew from day one what you were going to get with the season pass.





Again, stop strawmanning or misreading what I wrote. Read that bolded part.

 

I am not doing such thing. If you think I'm misreading you, express yourself better.

Because here's what you said:

Aeolus451 said:

It's a really stupid move because it's showing gamers that SE's season passes are notthe same thing as season passes from other devs. If SE mirrors your attitude on this then they can go fuck themselves. Like I said season passes are supposed cover all of the major DLC the game has and not be exploited to milk more money out of us.

So, like think-man told you already, they deliver what they said the Season Pass would include. You get what you paid for. End of story.

But based on what you say in this thread, you think they should keep adding more expensions, free of charge, even though they were not originally planned nor included in the season pass. That's simply not realistic. 

And yes, The Witcher 3 and FF XV are both alike. You both know what you're going to get when you buy their Season Pass. And both games deliver exactly that. 



Hynad said:
Aeolus451 said:

Again, stop strawmanning or misreading what I wrote. Read that bolded part.

 

I am not doing such thing. If you think I'm misreading you, express yourself better.

Because here's what you said:

Aeolus451 said:

It's a really stupid move because it's showing gamers that SE's season passes are notthe same thing as season passes from other devs. If SE mirrors your attitude on this then they can go fuck themselves. Like I said season passes are supposed cover all of the major DLC the game has and not be exploited to milk more money out of us.

So, like think-man told you already, they deliver what they said the Season Pass would include. You get what you paid for. End of story.

But based on what you say in this thread, you think they should keep adding more expensions, free of charge, even though they were not originally planned nor included in the season pass. That's simply not realistic. 

And yes, The Witcher 3 and FF XV are both alike. You both know what you're going to get when you buy their Season Pass. And both games deliver exactly that. 

I did not say any of the bolded. Earlier when you tried to say that I had that position and I corrected ya on that but here ya are again saying that I think that bolded part. 

I'll try to walk ya by your hand through my opinion so you don't misunderstand me. It's implied that a season pass includes all the major DLC planned for a game. They sometimes list exactly what you're getting in terms of expansions or big dlc what's planned for the game. They deliver on this. Both Fallout 4 and the witcher 3 were like this. They didn't release any more buyable major DLC for those games after they delivered what they said they would. 

This is where FFXV is very different than those games and where I have an issue with it. They want to keep making more major DLC for the game after they delivered what they said they would for their season pass. They either planned to do more major dlc from the beginning which means they were being dishonest about what their season pass wouldn't cover or they changed their mind at some point. Again, it's implied that a season pass includes all major dlc for a game (at a discount compared to buying it all indvidually) and that's it main selling point. By SE doing this, it defeats the point of a season pass and it's underhanded because it breaks the established rule of thumb with this stuff. SE shouldn't be creating more major DLC with the intention of doing another season pass/charging for that big dlc after completing all of the big dlc for the original season pass. 

It's kinda like the special game of the year editions that are supposed to include all the expansions of a game. What happens when you buy it and it doesn't have some of the big expansions because they decided to add in more big expansions after that edition was created? If that was their plan all along and didn't tell anyone, that would be fucked up and dishonest. They would be taking advantage of gamers' understanding of certain terms. Again, if SE wants to do this, by all means, have at it but good luck trying to get people to buy any season passes again or taking their word for anything without looking at the fine print.

I don't think SE will do another season pass for FF XV or charge anything for any big expansions beyond what's listed in the season pass



Aeolus451 said:
Hynad said:

I am not doing such thing. If you think I'm misreading you, express yourself better.

Because here's what you said:

So, like think-man told you already, they deliver what they said the Season Pass would include. You get what you paid for. End of story.

But based on what you say in this thread, you think they should keep adding more expensions, free of charge, even though they were not originally planned nor included in the season pass. That's simply not realistic. 

And yes, The Witcher 3 and FF XV are both alike. You both know what you're going to get when you buy their Season Pass. And both games deliver exactly that. 

I did not say any of the bolded. Earlier when you tried to say that I had that position and I corrected ya on that but here ya are again saying that I think that bolded part. 

I'll try to walk ya by your hand through my opinion so you don't misunderstand me. It's implied that a season pass includes all the major DLC planned for a game. They sometimes list exactly what you're getting in terms of expansions or big dlc what's planned for the game. They deliver on this. Both Fallout 4 and the witcher 3 were like this. They didn't release any more buyable major DLC for those games after they delivered what they said they would. 

This is where FFXV is very different than those games and where I have an issue with it. They want to keep making more major DLC for the game after they delivered what they said they would for their season pass. They either planned to do more major dlc from the beginning which means they were being dishonest about what their season pass wouldn't cover or they changed their mind at some point. Again, it's implied that a season pass includes all major dlc for a game (at a discount compared to buying it all indvidually) and that's it main selling point. By SE doing this, it defeats the point of a season pass and it's underhanded because it breaks the established rule of thumb with this stuff. SE shouldn't be creating more major DLC with the intention of doing another season pass/charging for that big dlc after completing all of the big dlc for the original season pass. 

It's kinda like the special game of the year editions that are supposed to include all the expansions of a game. What happens when you buy it and it doesn't have some of the big expansions because they decided to add in more big expansions after that edition was created? If that was their plan all along and didn't tell anyone, that would be fucked up and dishonest. They would be taking advantage of gamers' understanding of certain terms. Again, if SE wants to do this, by all means, have at it but good luck trying to get people to buy any season passes again or taking their word for anything without looking at the fine print.

I don't think SE will do another season pass for FF XV or charge anything for any big expansions beyond what's listed in the season pass

@bolded: It's not implied at all. You're the one who thinks it should be like that. It is specifically mentioned what the Season Pass you're paying for will include. Whatever happens after that is up to the developer.

So yeah, I don't know why you keep saying my understanding of what you're saying is wrong, when you keep saying the same thing, but with different wording. If Witcher 3 was to get more expensions, they would charge you for them. They wouldn't be included as part of the original Season Pass. But since they only did those 2 expansions and moved on, S-E should follow the same path? They shouldn't release any more content because it would go beyond what was originally planned for the game's Season Pass? Sorry. No.




Hynad said:
Aeolus451 said:

I did not say any of the bolded. Earlier when you tried to say that I had that position and I corrected ya on that but here ya are again saying that I think that bolded part. 

I'll try to walk ya by your hand through my opinion so you don't misunderstand me. It's implied that a season pass includes all the major DLC planned for a game. They sometimes list exactly what you're getting in terms of expansions or big dlc what's planned for the game. They deliver on this. Both Fallout 4 and the witcher 3 were like this. They didn't release any more buyable major DLC for those games after they delivered what they said they would. 

This is where FFXV is very different than those games and where I have an issue with it. They want to keep making more major DLC for the game after they delivered what they said they would for their season pass. They either planned to do more major dlc from the beginning which means they were being dishonest about what their season pass wouldn't cover or they changed their mind at some point. Again, it's implied that a season pass includes all major dlc for a game (at a discount compared to buying it all indvidually) and that's it main selling point. By SE doing this, it defeats the point of a season pass and it's underhanded because it breaks the established rule of thumb with this stuff. SE shouldn't be creating more major DLC with the intention of doing another season pass/charging for that big dlc after completing all of the big dlc for the original season pass. 

It's kinda like the special game of the year editions that are supposed to include all the expansions of a game. What happens when you buy it and it doesn't have some of the big expansions because they decided to add in more big expansions after that edition was created? If that was their plan all along and didn't tell anyone, that would be fucked up and dishonest. They would be taking advantage of gamers' understanding of certain terms. Again, if SE wants to do this, by all means, have at it but good luck trying to get people to buy any season passes again or taking their word for anything without looking at the fine print.

I don't think SE will do another season pass for FF XV or charge anything for any big expansions beyond what's listed in the season pass

@bolded: It's not implied at all. You're the one who thinks it should be like that. It is specifically mentioned what the Season Pass you're paying for will include. Whatever happens after that is up to the developer.

So yeah, I don't know why you keep saying my understanding of what you're saying is wrong, when you keep saying the same thing, but with different wording. If Witcher 3 was to get more expensions, they would charge you for them. They wouldn't be included as part of the original Season Pass. But since they only did those 2 expansions and moved on, S-E should follow the same path? They shouldn't release any more content because it would go beyond what was originally planned for the game's Season Pass? Sorry. No.


It's because you keep putting words in my mouth when I didn't say it while you're refusing to understand what I am saying. An example of you doing that very thing is the bolded part.  I'm not the only one whos thinks that it's standard practice with the season passes. Anyway, this has grown old and it's a waste of my time to debate with ya when ya keep misconstruing what I'm saying on purpose or by accident. We can just agree to disagree at this point.