zero129 said:
Azuren said:
It's actually more like the initial shut down of Napster, a service designed to get free music. It's more like R4 cards, and how they were made illegal in most places.
There are tools that help people make things (DVD writers, for example), and tools used to pirate things (like the software used to rip movies from DVDs). Some software and hardware has to justify itself in a legal way to remain legal. Movie ripping is to keep all your media on a server, it's totally not ever used to pirate and the programmers don't support the use of it as such, right? But we know who's fucking using it and what for. The R4 card was so you can rip your games all into one convenient card, stopping the need to constantly change, right? Except Nintendo proved in court that it's purpose was for piracy.
I agree that emulators WERE important to preservation of older games, but companies have taken notice of that and there are legitimate ways to get a hold of nearly every title ever made digitally and legally. And yes, there are some games the still need preserving and emulators do that niche job, but there's a much larger number of people out there abusing emulators. Yes it's nice having your games in one spot and not having to worry about whether or not your old console can play them or if the cartridge still works, but there's a much larger group out there just downloading "free games". And no, it's not like banning cars because some people get killed by them. It's more like banning fake weed; the manufacturer can say it's for one thing and put "do not smoke" warnings on it, but we know what everyone is buying it for.
After contemplation, though, I don't feel like banning emulators would accomplish anything. Like with marijuana, people will use them regardless of their legality. The difference is no one would ever get caught driving with emulators in their cars. All we can do is watch the DRM get more and more invasive, with pirates and hackers overriding it with greater difficulty each time, claiming to be the heroes of a problem they caused.
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Tell the truth. The only reason you and others using strawman tactics as to "Why emulation should be illegal" is the fact you hate seeing your exclusives playable on another platform.
Tell the truth. The only reason you and others want emulation of consoles on PC is so you can play games for free without having to purchase the console itself. But to be more direct and actually respond to this: No, I'm actually going to college to get into the field of game design. What you're doing (emulating a game without owning it) is piracy, and actively detriments those who worked on the game. And before you start with the tired "I wasn't going to but it anyway" argument, I'm not going to buy a $100k car. So it's okay if I just take it, right?
You wasnt too upset when you seen Zelda BOTW running on Cemu, but now its a problem why?.
I don't believe I posted about it on these forums, but I actually was and still am against emulating BotW. I even chastised a friend for emulating it, which resulted in a temporary rift between us.
Emulation is legal this is a fact, how a user uses it is up to them. Piracy is more of a problem on the actual console hardware then on an emu.
Emulation is legal. Owning ROMs and ISOs for games is legal. Emulating a game that you don't own is piracy. Whether the emulation takes place on a PC (which is much more relevant here considering the topic) or on modified consoles doesn't affect the legality of it.
Many other much bigger sites then VGC can openly talk about such topics as they see emulation is a big part of the PC community. Their mods will will stop users such as yourself who bring emulation topics off topic and into the realm of piracy discussion.
That's nice. Except VGC promotes open discussion, and the topic of emulating a game that is still for sale will always boil down to the ethics (or lack thereof) of emulating a game you don't own. Because be real: most people who emulate this will never physically or digitally own the game in question.
VGC needs to keep emulation topics clean of piracy talk thats it. No other rule when it comes to emulation needs to be enforced other then no discussions of piracy, no asking for roms, no asking for illegal files, no talking about illegal files, no discussion of piracy at all, even if this involves discussions of how emulators can be a tool of piracy.
I would argue that a website known for tracking sales should be wholly against emulation topics, and those who post information of emulation (where to download, how to use, etc) should face moderation. We're not talking about modding, where you must own the game. This isn't a topic about a wronghack or a new SNES emulator. This is about downloading and playing a game that is still in circulation. And only a fool would think that doesn't mean absolutely rampant piracy.
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