The first paragraph also applies to you.I protested the part in which what you stated, you stated as a fact.If its an opinion, thats more than fine, but what I said its thats not the universal opinion.We also have an IGN preview stating that the game looks gorgeous.

And as for which one has more merits, while being a better looking game is subjective, this game is technically superior to previous entries, or at least looks like so.Ill be quoting Nuvendil here: "here are numerous technical improvements over XCX visible here.  Water effects are improved, texture resolution is the same or better, especially in the city, lighting is a big step up, grass is using a more modern and demanding mesh based system rather than billboards and they've got the draw distance up to scratch now, shadow quality seems improved and draw distance issues resolved, the LOD quality is at least as high but possibly higher in this video, the large foliage like trees are q big step up compared to XCX (XCX skirted this issue in Noctilum by having mostly giant fungi and ferns, not trees).  And on a less technical note, the color palette is much broader and more distinct. ".So while we cant really say for certain that XC 2 will be a better looking game, my claim has much more basis.

 About the anime part, I mentioned this because of the more anime inspired direction to the characters since XCX.In XC they did have an anime feel to it, but it was more of a mixture betwenn that and a more "realist" approach, which was rather unique(and my personal favorite art style among the three entries).Ever since XCX, people complains about the charachters came because of that change, so I deduced that it was the same for you.But you think that they look like sex dolls?lol.Please, now thats going overboard.

"The first paragraph also applies to you"

*facepalm*

...yeah...the entire POINT was that it applies to both of us because you brought it up against me first.

When did I state it as a fact ...

" I think the overall graphics of XCX are honestly better " 

I think - opinion. Hell it should be obvious that what we are talking about in here is an opinion. 

Good thing I never said XC2 would look technically worse because, you know... it's kind of obvious a sequel on better hardware will technically be more demanding?

Right but you aren't really defending your point here... people dont like the look of X2 because it looks like BAD anime. You didnt really refute my point. I mean hell I have an anime profile pic.

Actually you didny refute any of them, you just said "but that isnt factual!" when I specifically didnt say it was(for the exact purpose of people like you), you said " but its technically better " when I didnt say it wasnt. More so I think the objective improvements didnt have much effect on my perception of the game. And you pretty much ignored an entire point because you were completely wrong. No one is saying X2 will be bad, you dont have to defend it to this degree. I only replied to you with my opinion originally because you said that the opinion that XCX looks better is in the minority - and also because youve been "honestly thinking" a lot by shooting down anyone who says they dont like the look of the game. I mean you replied to 3 different posters with this, you're obsessed with defending the game. It's also pretty funny you keep saying "the minority" but a ton of people keep saying it looks worse ... yeah maybe it's a minority at VG but most people(who don't nitpick things) seem to be saying it looks worse. 

Oh for gods sake...

The opinion argument.I mean, if you dont care about what other people think about your opinion, why are you then mad when I state my own opinion about your opinion?If we are going to keep dancing that dance,you will say something about my opinion and say its just an opinion, and whatever I answer to this will be received by a "dude, its just an opinion.Its valid".For when it is exclusively used as such, yeah.But when it is used to back up another argument, it is not, because arguments are based on evidence.(and if it wasnt clear enough, I never said what you stated was a fact.I was well aware it was an opinion.I was just trying to understand such opinion.Hence the things I first wrote.Go back to it and give a good read)

Thats why, since we began this discussion, I tried bringing the tecnical aspect of the game to have an actual ground for said discussion.My original post was to protest the guy saying that the Xenosage charachter models(Not the art style, models) looked better than the XC 2 charachters, and thats just plain wrong.Hence the technical aspects of the game to make something clear, which should have been more clear from the start, that the models of a 9th generation hardware is better than the models of a 6th generation hardware.If he said he just prefered the other over this one, then its fine, its an opinion, but that was not the case.

As for the anime part, yes there are people saying that they dont like the charachters because they look like generic anime design.I never said that it was you or the other one(assumed that at first, but we cleared that one up), but there is a good group, or there was anyways, that said that they looked horrible because they were generic and had nothing special about it.

And funny, you scream opinion at the begginning of your post, but at the end you said I didnt refute any of your points.Opinions cant be refuted because they are subjective.Do you mind deciding in which camp you lie?And again, I never said that he said the game was going to be bad.I was arguing over the game looking worse than a 10+ years game.Do you really need to make up things to get your point across, or to trying to make me look bad.What we have been discussing is wether the game is prettier than what came before, not if the game is better.There is a clear difference there.

Now, if you have a problem with how I write my ideas, like the "honestly thinking" part, I cant do much, thats simply how I write.I never honestly wanted to shot down or make myself look better, thats just how I wrote.As for the minority part:From the two previews I read, both said only stellar thinks about the look, and ever since the first gameplay footage surfaced in E3, outside of the technical problems, people really liked the looks of the game.So that makes you in the minority.

The battlesystem looks good from what I saw. How big will the fighting party be? 3 drivers or 4? Which would make the characters on screen 8 max. Also, enemies can also be drivers and blades. That's nice.

I'm not mad and I never said I didn't care about what others think about my opinion? Why do you keep adding words to what  I say. Besides, what do you mean "oh for gods sake ... The opinion argument" ? You where the one who said I was stating XBX looked better than 2 as if it was fact. What was I supposed to respond with? "Yeah, I was stating it was a fact!?" I wasn't. I'm just clarifying that it's an opinion, since you seem to think anything that doesn't have "in my opinion" at the end is being stated as a fact. I'm literally not using an opinion to deflect every criticism, you're just predicting that and acting like it's the case.

Most of your posts have not been intelligent well thought out discussions about technical leaps like Nuvendil, it's been mostly "You can't be serious?" "You're in a minority! Not many people say that!" *2 posts later of people saying that* "You're in a minority! Most people don't say that!" 

Well now you're changing your stance from "People don't like this because it looks like anime" to "people don't like this because it looks like generic anime". If you're fine with that correction then i'd have to ask ... what's wrong with disliking something because it looks generic?

"And funny, you scream opinion at the begginning of your post, but at the end you said I didnt refute any of your points.Opinions cant be refuted because they are subjective.Do you mind deciding in which camp you lie?"

Wow...possibly one of the most asinine things I've ever read in my life. I don't think you understand how discussion or arguments work. Almost every argument regarding entertainment, since the beginning of time, has been subjective. That doesn't mean that those arguments where invalid, or that points weren't refuted. You can refute a point by addressing it with a well thought out, or measured response, it doesn't require objectivity at all. When I said you weren't refuting my points, it was because you didn't really address them - at least not what I was actually saying. You said "oh this is objectively better" when I never said it wasn't, you said I was speaking as if it was a fact when I was clearly talking my opinion, and then you went on to ignore my point about currently beloved anime art styles in games entirely.  You didn't refute anything. You can refute points without the refute being objectively right.

Also, stop acting like i'm defending the guy who said the game has worse designs than the old xeno games. I'm not even addressing that guy, i'm just saying you've argued this with 3 or 4 seperate users, which makes me believe you are obsessed with defending the game's graphical merits. Obviously, the fact that I have to write an essay to counter you makes me look obsessed to, but I'm not going on this forum and replying to 3 or 4 different users saying "YOU'RE WRONG THIS GAME LOOKS BAD!" 

And ... how does comparing me to previews make me a minority? You're comparing me to two different previews ... what kind of sense does that make? This is not a room with three seperate journalists, this is the internet - where anyone can speak their opinion on the game. You then go on to say "and lots of people like the look of  the game" - completely anecdotal. Okay, i'll respond to that with lots of people don't. There, now you're in the minority amirite. Why does it even matter if someone is in the minority or not. Most sequels don't have people saying "this looks worse than the last game!" - the fact that this is even a concern is a problem.

You should have got it for Zelda BotW

You're not writing essays. You're just repeating what he said by pointing fingers at him. 

"You did this, and then you did that, and bla bla bla." Frankly, there's no more substance in your comments than you think there is in his. 

Frankly Hynad, I think it's easy to say that about any debate. "He did this, then that, than blabala " - not really a refute.

Besides, I'm only clarifying what he's doing because he seems to be misrepresenting what other people are saying, while also making bad points. Any argument would point that out ... that's not "pointing fingers" that's a clarification.

There shouldn't even have to be substance. My original post was just highlighting that people have valid reasons for not liking the look of XC2.

Besides, I think we both know your bias here ... 

My bias? Oh please, do elaborate!

My god.I really cant believe it.Instead of having a really nice conversation about videogames, of having a civil discussion about the games merits and dismerits, this has now become how to best insult someone without outright infringing the rules.Being acussed of being overly protective of a game(and being sensitive to anything negative as a consequence), when all I wanted is to discuss about a game I am really looking foward to.Making yourself looking like a victim, when all I did was bring out other points to the discussion.Putting words in my mouth, and accusing me of saying them such as "YOU'RE WRONG THIS GAME LOOKS BAD! and said the same to four different users!" .Especially when I argued about the graphics with only two other users.Accusing me of moving goalpoats, when you move them around all the time, and I foolishsly try to make a conversation out of it(Our conversation started with you quoting me on the reply I gave to that user.Or arent you saying that you dont share the same vision as he is, outside of the whole models part?)

I will admit I may have a bit more rough when you started being..... unreasonable, for the lack of a better word, but this is too much nonsense for me.Ill leave this one sided yell contest here, and whoever else wants to have a discussion with me, Im more than happy to oblige, but Im done with you.