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irstupid on 30 August 2017
bigtakilla said:
irstupid said:

Well the second trailer could have been overshadowed by say Mario, or Metroid news, ect.

You ahve to remember that as popular as Xenoblade may seem, it is still a niche game. It's not a Final Fantasy. Hell it's not even a Fire Emblem. Maybe a fire emblem before Awakening, but not the now newly hit status Fire Emblem has achieved. xenoblade has not reached the masses yet.

There probably were some people hyped. Key word SOME. That first trailer would not have reached million views on youtube today if it released. It would be looked at as some mediocre rpg.

XCX and XC2 trailers, even their worst are 1000x more hyped than Xenoblades first trailer.

It was not it's trailer that got Operation Rainfall. Operation Rainfall was due to 3 RPG's being skipped at coming over. We were in dire want of RPG's and NOA of skipping those three. This was also 2 years AFTER the trailer that it started. I don't know when Xenoblade released in Japan, but I feel like it was before Rainfall started. I seem to recall during the most of rainfall campaign if not the entirety that people wanted Xenoblade badly becuase of how awesome the game WAS, not how awesome it looked. Meaning it was out.

Looking up online, the game was released in japan in JUNE 2010.

So 1 year after a game came out, an operation was started in order to localize it. I woudl say without a doubt the desire for that game would be  based on consumer reviews/critic reviews over a trailer.

Well essentially you have to look at the audience it played to. Wii owners that were into jrpgs. That crowd was hyped, but how big is the jrpg crowd to begin with? 

Then there's the normal boost subsequent trailers that are more refined brings. Heck, look how much attention it gained AFTER release, but is anyone going to say there was no hype prior to them selling $100 used copies. There was always an audience hyped.

$100 used copies has to do with their being a bigger demand than quantity like a year after the game was released in America. Nothing to do with Trailers or pre-release hype.

Again, the game was out in japan for like a year before the whole Operation Rainfall started.

The trailer had NOTHING to do with that operation.



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bigtakilla on 30 August 2017
irstupid said:
bigtakilla said:

Well essentially you have to look at the audience it played to. Wii owners that were into jrpgs. That crowd was hyped, but how big is the jrpg crowd to begin with? 

Then there's the normal boost subsequent trailers that are more refined brings. Heck, look how much attention it gained AFTER release, but is anyone going to say there was no hype prior to them selling $100 used copies. There was always an audience hyped.

$100 used copies has to do with their being a bigger demand than quantity like a year after the game was released in America. Nothing to do with Trailers or pre-release hype.

Again, the game was out in japan for like a year before the whole Operation Rainfall started.

The trailer had NOTHING to do with that operation.

That's the point, the hype was already there. Same with Op Rainfall. If there was no hype there would have been no OpR.

Basically, my point exactly



curl-6 on 30 August 2017
irstupid said:
curl-6 said:

The first trailer I think was inflated due to being part of the big Switch reveal which was probably the highest profile Nintendo event ever in terms of online exposure.

XB2's trailers so far look to me like they could've been from pretty much any run-of-the-mill JRPG from the past 5 years or so. Aside from the awesome music, nothing really makes it stand out.

Well the second trailer could have been overshadowed by say Mario, or Metroid news, ect.

You ahve to remember that as popular as Xenoblade may seem, it is still a niche game. It's not a Final Fantasy. Hell it's not even a Fire Emblem. Maybe a fire emblem before Awakening, but not the now newly hit status Fire Emblem has achieved. xenoblade has not reached the masses yet.

Oh I'm fully aware it is niche, but that doesn't really change my point, which was not that it's a mainstream blockbuster, (though I do believe as a franchise it has room to grow) and more that Ninty just isn't doing a good job of hyping it up.



Nuvendil on 31 August 2017

So Nintendo finally cut their stream up themselves and this is probably the highest quality version of the XC2 gameplay we got:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQeaIAgaJI&t=1882s



Hynad on 31 August 2017
Nuvendil said:
So Nintendo finally cut their stream up themselves and this is probably the highest quality version of the XC2 gameplay we got:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQeaIAgaJI&t=1882s

Despite the quality of the video, this definitely looks much better in every aspects than the first two games.



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bigtakilla on 01 September 2017
Hynad said:
Nuvendil said:
So Nintendo finally cut their stream up themselves and this is probably the highest quality version of the XC2 gameplay we got:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQeaIAgaJI&t=1882s

Despite the quality of the video, this definitely looks much better in every aspects than the first two games.

Well, it is on new hardware. The shame is that it's not by much.



bigtakilla on 01 September 2017
curl-6 said:
irstupid said:

Well the second trailer could have been overshadowed by say Mario, or Metroid news, ect.

You ahve to remember that as popular as Xenoblade may seem, it is still a niche game. It's not a Final Fantasy. Hell it's not even a Fire Emblem. Maybe a fire emblem before Awakening, but not the now newly hit status Fire Emblem has achieved. xenoblade has not reached the masses yet.

Oh I'm fully aware it is niche, but that doesn't really change my point, which was not that it's a mainstream blockbuster, (though I do believe as a franchise it has room to grow) and more that Ninty just isn't doing a good job of hyping it up.

It should definitely be more in the spotlight as a series, even this specific game despite it not really doing much for me emotionally with the trailers. It definitely fills a void in Nintendo's genre diversity and though only through technicality can it actually be considered first party (Nintendo buying the devs), the series stands up to their level of quality in games and game design. This series should be just as recognizable as LoZ, mind you I'm not saying from a financial standpoint but more so that Xenoblade should pop into everyones minds when someone says Nintendo. 



Nuvendil on 01 September 2017
bigtakilla said:
Hynad said:

Despite the quality of the video, this definitely looks much better in every aspects than the first two games.

Well, it is on new hardware. The shame is that it's not by much.

That's rather premature.  And diminishing returns of course has eroded the visible impact of jumps.  No it's not as big as Xenoblade to Xenoblade X, but it could never have been.  The Switch would have to be more powerful than the PS4 to pull that kind of jump off.  But what's here is not insubstantial.  Improved lighting, improved environmental textures, improved polygonal complexity of scenes, improved draw distances for details in cities, a more moder grass solution, sharper shadows, much improved large folliage like trees.  These are meaningful upgrades and if the polish continues on as it has between E3 and Gamescom, the game should look even better at launch.  They already seem to have resolved then draw distance issues with grass and shadows.



bigtakilla on 01 September 2017
Nuvendil said:
bigtakilla said:

Well, it is on new hardware. The shame is that it's not by much.

That's rather premature.  And diminishing returns of course has eroded the visible impact of jumps.  No it's not as big as Xenoblade to Xenoblade X, but it could never have been.  The Switch would have to be more powerful than the PS4 to pull that kind of jump off.  But what's here is not insubstantial.  Improved lighting, improved environmental textures, improved polygonal complexity of scenes, improved draw distances for details in cities, a more moder grass solution, sharper shadows, much improved large folliage like trees.  These are meaningful upgrades and if the polish continues on as it has between E3 and Gamescom, the game should look even better at launch.  They already seem to have resolved then draw distance issues with grass and shadows.

You're right, I should have said from what we've seen so far.



Nuvendil on 01 September 2017
bigtakilla said:
curl-6 said:

Oh I'm fully aware it is niche, but that doesn't really change my point, which was not that it's a mainstream blockbuster, (though I do believe as a franchise it has room to grow) and more that Ninty just isn't doing a good job of hyping it up.

It should definitely be more in the spotlight as a series, even this specific game despite it not really doing much for me emotionally with the trailers. It definitely fills a void in Nintendo's genre diversity and though only through technicality can it actually be considered first party (Nintendo buying the devs), the series stands up to their level of quality in games and game design. This series should be just as recognizable as LoZ, mind you I'm not saying from a financial standpoint but more so that Xenoblade should pop into everyones minds when someone says Nintendo. 

I agree and Nintendo is doing this more and more.  Xenoblade got a slot at the Gamescom stream, was one of the first titles announced with a gameplay trailer in their launch event, was the opening trailer in the Nintendo Spotlight, and got a 50 minute demo at a good timeslot on the Treehouse.  Let's hope Nintendo follows through this time though.  XCX got good treatment up until the last few months where it all fell apart.  This time Nintendo has given every significant game a marketing push all to itself, so hopefully that means Xenoblade will also get to have its moment in the marketing spotlight.