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VGPolyglot on 15 August 2017
DonFerrari said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:

Get rid of you? I've literally never seen you before this thread. I have no idea who you are. I can't tell you what to do or not to do, but you attacking people left and right and throwing insults at them isn't very productive. I'm not offended, and I don't hold any ill will against you, but I'm definitely not surprised some people do get offended or hold ill will against you if this is the attitude you walk around with.

It's amazing to me that you can write this stuff and turn around and say that everyone else is the bad guy. You've gone at like five people this thread accusing them of all manner of different things with no provocation. You really should look over your posts, because I feel like you're projecting things onto me and others from completely different people that aren't here.

And when he gets moderated for all the rules he broke he will say that is intolerance against him and prejudice of the mods.

Flilix said:

Let's look up the meaning of 'fascist'.

"Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism" (...) "anti-liberalism, anti-communism" (...) "racism is a characteristic component of fascism"

These three parts clearly show why your comment makes no sense.

Most right wing government are for Less government, while left is for more government. Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, partially China, ex-URSS were all very authoritarian and their nationalism convert to globalism communism so just changed the type of "nationalism".

Marx was very much anti-jew, Che Guevara was anti-black people, both were anti-gay. Democrats funded the KKK and were in favor of slavery at the time...

So please entretain me on why left can't be fascist? Fascism and Socialism and even Communism is quite common grounded on the "all in the state, nothing against the state and nothing outside of state".

So sorry, extreme right liberal is exactly the opposition of fascim since they want less government, less government intromission and more freedom. While most os the left movements want more and bigger government, government dealing with more of the market and life and giving them freedom to do what they want by the basis of taking the right of others of acting different.

I'll have to come up with a better response later, but in essence: no.



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Cubedramirez on 15 August 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Cubedramirez said:

I still have a good laugh at the fact that actually Nazi's are fighting with people who think they're the anti Nazi group while conducting themselves the same as the Nazi's they claim to fight. 

Antifa are nothing more than leftist fascist.

Horseshoe bullshit.

Hate all you want. Thankfully America is waking up to the true vile nature of the radical leftist that lurke around us. They try to enforce their beliefs by force, same as Nazi's they claim to fight against. All while mostly being made up of privilaged, spoiled white kids; just like the Nazi's. 

From racist to statist, the extremes of the right and left are a stain in this country. 



Cubedramirez on 15 August 2017
DonFerrari said:
I'll also remember all here of the great phrase of Winston Churchill. "The fascist of tomorrow will call themselves anti-fascists". And that is exactly what we have, most of the so called left movements and anti-fascists groups and people that call others fascists just because they disagreed with them.

Bingo



DonFerrari on 15 August 2017
Cubedramirez said:
VGPolyglot said:

Horseshoe bullshit.

Hate all you want. Thankfully America is waking up to the true vile nature of the radical leftist that lurke around us. They try to enforce their beliefs by force, same as Nazi's they claim to fight against. All while mostly being made up of privilaged, spoiled white kids; just like the Nazi's. 

From racist to statist, the extremes of the right and left are a stain in this country. 

Most comparisons of characteristics between movements would show nazi and facism as born from socalism/comunism (nazi even coming from national socialism, and fascism comming from the school of fishes... all meaning total government control), so I defend neither nazi nor fascism are extrem right, but even if someone wants to say they are for me it's useless because I would still condemn nazism and fascism, but most of the left guys don't condemn comunism or socialism, they will say it's perfect and full of love... the fault being that capitalism doesn't allow either to show how good they are.

On that I like another phrase "It isn't that comunism didn't work out, comunism isn't right". Forgot the author

And another "Hard times create strong men, strong men creates peacefull times, peacefull times creates weak men, weak men creates hard times".



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

VGPolyglot on 15 August 2017
DonFerrari said:
Cubedramirez said:

Hate all you want. Thankfully America is waking up to the true vile nature of the radical leftist that lurke around us. They try to enforce their beliefs by force, same as Nazi's they claim to fight against. All while mostly being made up of privilaged, spoiled white kids; just like the Nazi's. 

From racist to statist, the extremes of the right and left are a stain in this country. 

Most comparisons of characteristics between movements would show nazi and facism as born from socalism/comunism (nazi even coming from national socialism, and fascism comming from the school of fishes... all meaning total government control), so I defend neither nazi nor fascism are extrem right, but even if someone wants to say they are for me it's useless because I would still condemn nazism and fascism, but most of the left guys don't condemn comunism or socialism, they will say it's perfect and full of love... the fault being that capitalism doesn't allow either to show how good they are.

On that I like another phrase "It isn't that comunism didn't work out, comunism isn't right". Forgot the author

And another "Hard times create strong men, strong men creates peacefull times, peacefull times creates weak men, weak men creates hard times".

That's purely rhetoric that Hitler used to gain support from the working class. That's like calling North Korea a democracy because they have Democratic in the name of their country.



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DonFerrari on 15 August 2017
VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

Most comparisons of characteristics between movements would show nazi and facism as born from socalism/comunism (nazi even coming from national socialism, and fascism comming from the school of fishes... all meaning total government control), so I defend neither nazi nor fascism are extrem right, but even if someone wants to say they are for me it's useless because I would still condemn nazism and fascism, but most of the left guys don't condemn comunism or socialism, they will say it's perfect and full of love... the fault being that capitalism doesn't allow either to show how good they are.

On that I like another phrase "It isn't that comunism didn't work out, comunism isn't right". Forgot the author

And another "Hard times create strong men, strong men creates peacefull times, peacefull times creates weak men, weak men creates hard times".

That's purely rhetoric that Hitler used to gain support from the working class. That's like calling North Korea a democracy because they have Democratic in the name of their country.

Except Nazi was a party much before Hitler was even a member and was part attached to unions. The sole reason nazi and comunism fought was because both wanted to "own" the whole europe. Their agenda was so close by that they were able to have a non-agression pact for each to invade a part of Europe and both accepted for a long time before Hitler got more greedy and fool.

But talking on rethoric and hipocrisy I can understand where you are coming from... it's quite impressive that in Brazil and even on USA several of the most rich says they are left wing and the ones that doesn't say have child that are quite left wingers. They all love that protection from the government that says something is to protect the people but end up just being a protection to big corporations, same as they defend all that poor people defense, but keep all their milions to themselves while asking the government to distribute the money of others.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

VGPolyglot on 15 August 2017
DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

That's purely rhetoric that Hitler used to gain support from the working class. That's like calling North Korea a democracy because they have Democratic in the name of their country.

Except Nazi was a party much before Hitler was even a member and was part attached to unions. The sole reason nazi and comunism fought was because both wanted to "own" the whole europe. Their agenda was so close by that they were able to have a non-agression pact for each to invade a part of Europe and both accepted for a long time before Hitler got more greedy and fool.

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union being similar doesn't mean that Nazism and communism are similar, it means that two very authoritarian regimes are similar. Also, not long after Hitler came to power, the Nazi regime started to dismantle trade unions, which shows that it was purely a means of gaining support from the working class, once in power they almost immediately went after those who they claimed to represent:

http://hmd.org.uk/content/02051933-dissolution-german-trade-unions



DonFerrari on 15 August 2017
VGPolyglot said:
DonFerrari said:

Except Nazi was a party much before Hitler was even a member and was part attached to unions. The sole reason nazi and comunism fought was because both wanted to "own" the whole europe. Their agenda was so close by that they were able to have a non-agression pact for each to invade a part of Europe and both accepted for a long time before Hitler got more greedy and fool.

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union being similar doesn't mean that Nazism and communism are similar, it means that two very authoritarian regimes are similar. Also, not long after Hitler came to power, the Nazi regime started to dismantle trade unions, which shows that it was purely a means of gaining support from the working class, once in power they almost immediately went after those who they claimed to represent:

http://hmd.org.uk/content/02051933-dissolution-german-trade-unions

Yes both are authoritarian, with an elit class that have all the power, control the economy and society in its totality, so? I'm talking about the actions and results not the excuses both regims used.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

VGPolyglot on 15 August 2017
DonFerrari said:
VGPolyglot said:

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union being similar doesn't mean that Nazism and communism are similar, it means that two very authoritarian regimes are similar. Also, not long after Hitler came to power, the Nazi regime started to dismantle trade unions, which shows that it was purely a means of gaining support from the working class, once in power they almost immediately went after those who they claimed to represent:

http://hmd.org.uk/content/02051933-dissolution-german-trade-unions

Yes both are authoritarian, with an elit class that have all the power, control the economy and society in its totality, so? I'm talking about the actions and results not the excuses both regims used.

Yeah, I'm saying their actions were similar because they're both authoritarian regimes, not because Nazism and communism are similar.



Flilix on 15 August 2017
DonFerrari said:

Actually, nevermind. I had an answer for each of your arguments, but that would just bring us in a pointless discussion that could go on forever. The problem is, politics are constantly changing and there is a wide spectrum of things to consider.  'Left', 'right' and even 'fascism' are very vague words. It's hard to define them, and their meaning can change over time.

So I'll just try to keep it short.
You're talking about communist regimes, but the discussion was about antifa. While there are of course a lot of similarities between the two, there are also some major differences. Most importantly, antifascists are usually anarchist, so not authoritarian at all.

And while communist regimes are indeed authoritarian/totalitarian, that doesn't mean they're also fascist. Fascism is a very specific form of totalitarianism. It's 'invented' by Mussolini and his friend Hitler was a fascist too. Fascists are people who support the very specific ideas of these two leaders. Communists are obviously not fascists, since they hate eachother.