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Flilix said:
DonFerrari said:

Actually, nevermind. I had an answer for each of your arguments, but that would just bring us in a pointless discussion that could go on forever. The problem is, politics are constantly changing and there is a wide spectrum of things to consider.  'Left', 'right' and even 'fascism' are very vague words. It's hard to define them, and their meaning can change over time.

So I'll just try to keep it short.
You're talking about communist regimes, but the discussion was about antifa. While there are of course a lot of similarities between the two, there are also some major differences. Most importantly, antifascists are usually anarchist, so not authoritarian at all.

And while communist regimes are indeed authoritarian/totalitarian, that doesn't mean they're also fascist. Fascism is a very specific form of totalitarianism. It's 'invented' by Mussolini and his friend Hitler was a fascist too. Fascists are people who support the very specific ideas of these two leaders. Communists are obviously not fascists, since they hate eachother.

Sorry but you are just going tangent.

I know that the "anti-fascist" are anarchist, at least the movements calling themselves anti-fascist or anarchists. But most of the left wing movements will call other fascist when anyone disagree with a point they made, and guess who is the people who shut all disagreement? Yes the fascists.

The communist or socialism regimes as you may decide to call themselves are fascists regims, I know they "hate" each other, but the reason for that is power and control, not much differences in beliefs.

Try and point similarities and differences between real actions of nazifascism and socialism/comunism and also the ideals of their leaders. Now try to point how the nazifascism ideals have the same similarities and differences from classic right wing liberalism (as in Adam Smith, Mises, etc) and tell me how can something that is likely 90% more similar to socialism/comunism than to classic liberalism can be the extrem of classic liberalism and not another faceta of socialism/comunism?



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Jaicee said:
TH3-D0S3R said:

You see here we go again.

The KKK and Neo's have always been a racist group. I am disgusted by the actions that took place at Charlottesville, and in no way would I advocate that. Quit throwing me into a group I have no interest associating with. I am not a racist pig who sympathizes with KKK members for saying that every act of violence from any extremist group (KKK, BLM, Neo Nazis, ANTIFA, etc.) should be seen exactly the same. I want any group that commits acts of violence specifically against other people of position or race to be seen as a domestic terrorist organization. Every. Single. One.

Your answer is exactly what is the problem with this article: broad generalizations that only try to demonize the other side. I am a Conservative, that doesn't mean I'm a white supremacist who was okay with the car plowing through the innocent crowd.

All I want is for the Riots in Baltimore or Berkley to be treated like they were here in Charlottesville, as acts of violence. Is that a problem?

The fact that you list Black Lives Matter as an "extremist group" and a "terrorist organization" and use the term "antifa" tells me that you are, in fact, connected to the neo-fascist movement on the far right despite your statement.

In any event, when it comes to the comparatively minor violence that some of the the "unite the right" people in Charlottesville were met with, frankly if you're a Nazi Party member, Ku Klux Klan member, or neo-Confederate decked out in the full regalia and you DON'T expect to get pelted with anything (in this case bottles) then you are officially disconnected from life. The truth is that, despite your legal rights, people are still human and tend to find it highly offensive when others implicitly or explicity defend things like the old slave system and the Holocaust. If you're doing that, somebody's going to hit you with something and I'm not going to feel sorry for you because you kinda deserve it. That's NOTHING That's compared to hitting 34 people with your car at 40 miles per hour because you're a fucking Nazi and having the president blame your victims just as much as you because he likes you better! That comparison is an insult to my intelligence and exceedingly offensive. Call me a "snowflake" or whatever for having feelings.

As to your remarks about Baltimore and Berkley, the events in those communities were met with a swift police crackdown (as in like martial law). By contrast, the police just passively stood by and watched while dozens were being mowed down in Charlottesville because this time the perpetrators were white. THAT's the difference in their treatment.

You do not know me. I am disgusted by the message of Neo Nazis and Klansmen, I am horrified by their actions at Charlottesville. I have in no way ever sympathized with or entertained the thoughts of being a Neo-Nazi/Klansmember, and yet I am labeled as one for what? Acknowledging the KKK and Nazis as problems? You are too afraid to bring up ANTIFA as a terrorist group, even though there is video evidence of them inciting violence at Charlottesville charging into a march just to punch whoever they could (that doesn't mean I agree with the alt-right/KKK/Nazis fighting back, in fact they were both wrong. In this case it's eye for eye, and violence has no place in a civilized society).

I am not your problem, I want to work with every rational individual who believes they are what their beliefs/race indicates. We are ALL Americans, and no matter who it is, no one should have to worry about dying when going to a rally/protest.

And as for punching a Nazi in the face when you see one, how does that make you better than those who committed atrocities in Charlottesville? Whether or not I agree with them (and for the millionth and first time, I dont agree with them, AT ALL), they had LEGAL permits to march on the street. You can disagree with their ideology, but they have the right to speak it if they carry all the legal papers they need. Just because you and I don't agree with their message doesn't mean we can simply bypass the First Ammendment and their right to free speech. You can disagree HEAVILY with the message they teach like me, but I'm not going to ignore their right to say it, no matter how ludacris it is.

As for your remarks about Baltimore or Berkley, does it automatically make all those acts of violence suddenly ok because it wasn't like Charlottesville? An act of violence should be seen as such equally. Just because Charlottesville happened involving 'dem Nazis' doesn't justify Baltimore or Berkley. They are all equally dangerous.

I would not have gone on this rant, but never, EVER associate me with those radicals. I am not a Nazi/facist, nor will I ever be. Villifying me will only result to more people joining up with them (as you have seen with the alt-right).

The alt-right did not grow by itself, it was grown because of the demonization of the movement coupled with the media's reports further misleading the American public, all of it coming off in a way that made is seem like the alt-right was justified in a way (which they NEVER were). The beliefs are extreme in the alt-right, but the way the media covered them along with other points made it appear to the naive public that the alt-right's motives were correct (which, AGAIN, were NEVER right). What's the best way to take care of it? Denounce it and move on, only bringing constant attention causes more people to become fascinated with it. This goes for every extremist group in America.

Point is, don't call me, a person who hates white supremacists groups, as a neo-facist. You aren't helping yourself or your cause if I am the enemy.



Leftist in this country throughout history have loved the idea of Fascism in America. From Woodrow Wilson to FDR. Being a progressive at the core is embracing the command and control aspects of fascism. Only recently have the young leftist adopted communism as their desired system however when you break down their end game and motives it's nothing more than Italian fascism that FDR so loved and admired.

A wonderful book called the Three New Deals released in the early 2000's went into great detail over how the new deal was nothing short of Fascism and how the press in Germany praised America's adoption of the National Socialist aspects throughout his social and economic policies. The modern day left have not changed, they've just succeeded in lying to themselves.



Jaicee said:

I don't have a lot to share here today, but was reading an article not long ago that I felt was worth sharing. It's about the modern history of my home state of Texas politics and how the politics of Texas have apparently become "the nation's bellwether", which I find to be a very depressing thought. I just thought I'd share it so that others can understand why I find living here as a leftist discouraging. It's just this sense of perpetual hopelessness that sets in, you know?

Wait, what? The only real thing to criticize about Texas is the immense heat and vast emptiness if you're west of Waco or north of Dallas.

If you truly need a hivemind, move to Austin.

While I don't live in Texas, it has world class hospitals, no income taxes, great public schools, a truly fantastic economy, and it's large cities have more cultures embraced than almost anywhere else in the world.



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Cubedramirez said:

Leftist in this country throughout history have loved the idea of Fascism in America. From Woodrow Wilson to FDR. Being a progressive at the core is embracing the command and control aspects of fascism. Only recently have the young leftist adopted communism as their desired system however when you break down their end game and motives it's nothing more than Italian fascism that FDR so loved and admired.

A wonderful book called the Three New Deals released in the early 2000's went into great detail over how the new deal was nothing short of Fascism and how the press in Germany praised America's adoption of the National Socialist aspects throughout his social and economic policies. The modern day left have not changed, they've just succeeded in lying to themselves.

They won't aknowledge it or even the social marxism.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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outlawauron said:
Jaicee said:

I don't have a lot to share here today, but was reading an article not long ago that I felt was worth sharing. It's about the modern history of my home state of Texas politics and how the politics of Texas have apparently become "the nation's bellwether", which I find to be a very depressing thought. I just thought I'd share it so that others can understand why I find living here as a leftist discouraging. It's just this sense of perpetual hopelessness that sets in, you know?

Wait, what? The only real thing to criticize about Texas is the immense heat and vast emptiness if you're west of Waco or north of Dallas.

If you truly need a hivemind, move to Austin.

While I don't live in Texas, it has world class hospitals, no income taxes, great public schools, a truly fantastic economy, and it's large cities have more cultures embraced than almost anywhere else in the world.

What do you mean Texas has no income taxes?

If I make let's say 50,000 Dollars a year in Texas versus New York, what's the difference in how much money will end up in my pocket after taxes?



Slimebeast said:
 

What do you mean Texas has no income taxes?

If I make let's say 50,000 Dollars a year in Texas versus New York, what's the difference in how much money will end up in my pocket after taxes?

No state income tax, I believe there is still a federal income tax and (perhaps?) a local income tax.



 

 

 

 

 

Slimebeast said:
outlawauron said:

Wait, what? The only real thing to criticize about Texas is the immense heat and vast emptiness if you're west of Waco or north of Dallas.

If you truly need a hivemind, move to Austin.

While I don't live in Texas, it has world class hospitals, no income taxes, great public schools, a truly fantastic economy, and it's large cities have more cultures embraced than almost anywhere else in the world.

What do you mean Texas has no income taxes?

If I make let's say 50,000 Dollars a year in Texas versus New York, what's the difference in how much money will end up in my pocket after taxes?

New York has a ~9% state income tax, so you'd be $4500 richer immediately. Federal income tax is ~18% for that income iirc. You can also click here to measure these things.

 

New York also has a lot of local taxes that do not exist in most other states. The only thing that is taxed highly in Texas is property. That pays for almost of the public services though, and people generally don't mind because the schools are good, infrastructure is built quickly, and there are a lot of things to do.



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Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
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outlawauron said:
Slimebeast said:

What do you mean Texas has no income taxes?

If I make let's say 50,000 Dollars a year in Texas versus New York, what's the difference in how much money will end up in my pocket after taxes?

New York has a ~9% state income tax, so you'd be $4500 richer immediately. Federal income tax is ~18% for that income iirc. You can also click here to measure these things.

 

New York also has a lot of local taxes that do not exist in most other states. The only thing that is taxed highly in Texas is property. That pays for almost of the public services though, and people generally don't mind because the schools are good, infrastructure is built quickly, and there are a lot of things to do.

Wow, interesting. Almost a 10% difference in taxation.

I was a bit depressed at first when this thread was created, getting the impression that Texas is just backwards and evil, but it's interesting to hear another perspective, that Texas is in many ways successful while being so different from the rest of the country in economical policy.



haxxiy said:
Slimebeast said:

What do you mean Texas has no income taxes?

If I make let's say 50,000 Dollars a year in Texas versus New York, what's the difference in how much money will end up in my pocket after taxes?

No state income tax, I believe there is still a federal income tax and (perhaps?) a local income tax.

"Federal" as in nation-wide, determined by the government?

And "local" as in the city/community you live in?